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You should know by now ya talks to one you get two answers.  If it gets real intense the "third" twin will join in.  ;-)  Jimski

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Miguel Naughton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Miguel Naughton <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] TDF - Contador's climb best ever?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 1:26 PM
> Ben,
> 
> I wish I had a brother who would jump in and defend
> me.  Hmmm, maybe I could
> invent one, Pedro Naughton?
> 
> >Uh, Mig, did you read the article? They addressed both
> "gigantic holes" in
> >their analysis.
> 
> Actually, I mentioned 4 holes:
> 
> 1. Different course length.
> 2. Different steepness.
> 3. Tailwind or lack thereof.
> 4. Switchbacks.
> 
> And I could add:
> 
> 5. Presence of spectators (the home field advantage).
> 6. Profile of the course (undulating, steep at first, then
> flat, etc. etc.)
> 7. Technological innovation, ie. better bikes.
> 
> Just to clarify, as I am from Chicago, I use BS all the
> time.  It does not
> mean "I have carefully studied the article and find it to
> be without merit".
> More accurate is "From a common sense approach, this is
> difficult to
> believe, and a quick reading of the article finds that a
> key point, that
> course length isn't important, is weakly defended." 
> My experience with
> running (cross country) courses indicates that it's tough
> to compare
> times on different courses.  And in the world of track
> and field, the
> longer the race, the slower the average speed. 
> Always.
> 
> Mig
> 
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