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Ben, climber's aren't hiding anything. We're very open with our information. One can generally find features based on the name, and if you ask, anyone who knows will show you. I love that about the climbing community. The only reason they don't have GPS coordinates in the photo captions is because... it's a photo caption. And most climbers don't carry GPS anyway. - BW On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Caveat Lector <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Leigh, > > Amusing stuff. Misses the point (see Mr. Haskell's post for the point), but > amusing nonetheless. > > Maybe I'm remembering things wrong, but it seems to me that I'll read a > story in a mag, see a photo, and maybe the caption will say, "A Peak in > Patagonia." Maybe it will read "Cerro Torre". "A Slot Canyon in Escalante." > But I have rarely seen exact geospatial data accompanying the photograph. > Maybe we read different mags. > > caveat lector > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Leigh Daboll <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Actually, Ben, maybe a better philosophical argument would go sometihing >> like this: >> >> If a photographer were shoot a new cool spot and then post about it as >> such: >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dear Ben: >> >> "Wow, man! You really gotta SEE this new photo I photographed last >> weekend at this cool new secret spot I found!! I wish I could show the >> actual photograph but that might lead somebody to discover my secret spot. >> So, let me instead spend some time writing to you about how AWESOME my >> photo is without actually showing you the actual photo. >> >> If you really wanted, I guess I could show you some photos NEAR the spot I >> took this one to get you psyched. And then, the next time you fly across >> the country to visit my home, if you are still interested, I will physically >> show you the photo!!! And then, if you are STILL interested, I'll actually >> take you to shoot the photo yourself because - out of all my friends - you >> were the only one who showed enough interest in my photo to fly across the >> country to see my photo. >> >> I'm really sorry I can't email the photo to you (or anyone else for that >> matter), but trust me, it's not because its not one of the GREATEST photos >> I've ever taken, but you know, I had to take a long hike to get to the place >> [...inset long obligatory and tedious prose about the raptuous torture on >> the climb up...], plus purchase and lug my camera gear, and the spend a >> WHOLE LOT OF TIME - HOURS!!!! - messing around in Photoshop with the photo >> to make it look just right. >> >> Again, I'm really sorry I can't let you see the actual photo, but trust >> me, it is freakin' awesome photo. Much better than any photo taken by some >> [sniff] tourist photographer at a lame resort like you see all over the >> internets. My secret photo is way too special for that. But trust me, you >> would really like to see my photo!! >> >> Lastly, please don't ask me to describe in any more detail where my spot >> is because, well, it's my spot. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> With "dues" respect, you would think your friend had lost his mind. >> >> Leigh >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Daboll" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Camel’s Hump State Park/Monroe Trail, VT 17JAN2010 >> >> >> >> Leigh, how many nature photographers detail exactly how to get to the >>> spots where they took the pictures they publish? >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Most every photographer I know. >>> >>> It's part of the culture. In photography, you want to be the first to >>> capture a photo of a new spot so you can tell everyone about it so you can >>> become famous as the photographer who discovered the new spot that everyone >>> and his dog is now out shooting so you can tell everyone that I was the >>> photographer that discovered and shot that spot before it got famous and >>> crowded with other photographers and that it's now so passe to shoot that >>> spot. >>> >>> That's the best way you force yourself to find new and better spots. I >>> don't think I'll run out of new local spots to photograph anytime soon. >>> >>> Leigh >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. >>> >>> To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html >>> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. >> >> To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html >> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SkiVt-L is > brought to you by the University of Vermont. > > To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html