Ben, climber's aren't hiding anything. We're very open with our information. One can generally find features based on the name, and if you ask, anyone who knows will show you.

I love that about the climbing community.

The only reason they don't have GPS coordinates in the photo captions is because... it's a photo caption. And most climbers don't carry GPS anyway.

- BW

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Caveat Lector <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Amusing stuff. Misses the point (see Mr. Haskell's post for the point), but amusing nonetheless.

Maybe I'm remembering things wrong, but it seems to me that I'll read a story in a mag, see a photo, and maybe the caption will say, "A Peak in Patagonia." Maybe it will read "Cerro Torre". "A Slot Canyon in Escalante." But I have rarely seen exact geospatial data accompanying the photograph. Maybe we read different mags.

caveat lector

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Leigh Daboll <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Actually, Ben, maybe a better philosophical argument would go sometihing like this:

If a photographer were shoot a new cool spot and then post about it as such:
Dear Ben:

"Wow, man!  You really gotta SEE this new photo I photographed last weekend at this cool new secret spot I found!!  I wish I could show the actual photograph but that might lead somebody to discover my secret spot.  So, let me instead spend some time writing to you about how AWESOME my photo is without actually showing you the actual photo.

If you really wanted, I guess I could show you some photos NEAR the spot I took this one to get you psyched.  And then, the next time you fly across the country to visit my home, if you are still interested, I will physically show you the photo!!!  And then, if you are STILL interested, I'll actually take you to shoot the photo yourself because - out of all my friends - you were the only one who showed enough interest in my photo to fly across the country to see my photo.

I'm really sorry I can't email the photo to you (or anyone else for that matter), but trust me, it's not because its not one of the GREATEST photos I've ever taken, but you know, I had to take a long hike to get to the place [...inset long obligatory and tedious prose about the raptuous torture on the climb up...], plus purchase and lug my camera gear, and the spend a WHOLE LOT OF TIME - HOURS!!!! - messing around in Photoshop with the photo to make it look just right.

Again, I'm really sorry I can't let you see the actual photo, but trust me, it is freakin' awesome photo.  Much better than any photo taken by some [sniff] tourist photographer at a lame resort like you see all over the internets.  My secret photo is way too special for that.  But trust me, you would really like to see my photo!!

Lastly, please don't ask me to describe in any more detail where my spot is because, well, it's my spot.

With "dues" respect, you would think your friend had lost his mind.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Daboll" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Camel’s Hump State Park/Monroe Trail, VT 17JAN2010

Leigh, how many nature photographers detail exactly how to get to the
spots where they took the pictures they publish?
Most every photographer I know.

It's part of the culture.  In photography, you want to be the first to capture a photo of a new spot so you can tell everyone about it so you can become famous as the photographer who discovered the new spot that everyone and his dog is now out shooting so you can tell everyone that I was the photographer that discovered and shot that spot before it got famous and crowded with other photographers and that it's now so passe to shoot that spot.

That's the best way you force yourself to find new and better spots. I don't think I'll run out of new local spots to photograph anytime soon.

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