Sure a sliding scale would be great, but I'm sorry Robert - I'd have to agree with Jane & Malcolm. While your logic might make sense in a Utopian society - we live in the real world.
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On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:46 PM, "Robert Riversong" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Don't even go there. That's the most exquisite rationalization for charging fees for information - and often high fees, since the corollary is that which costs more is more valued.
The truth is that people value that which improves their lives, including many things we would not (at least not most of us) even think of charging for, such as friendship, companionship, empathy, physical intimacy and sex, mentoring a child, assisting the elderly or comforting the dying.
The measure of a healthy and sustainable society is one in which the most valuable services are part of a gift economy and the rest is bartered.
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Jane Griswold <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: BSR - VT Solar Hot Water Workshops 2010 Series! To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:35 PM
people value more what costs them money - I charge for a consultation because the money makes the client pays attention to what I say - same with seminars
It costs to formulate and present, reasonable price for the information. still live in capitalism. Malcolm/Montpelier Construction
On Mar 9, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Robert Riversong wrote:
If you really wanted to promulgate solar options, you'd make these workshops free. Those of us who are most interested in lower impact options are the ones least able to pay such fees.
What: Building for Social Responsibility (BSR) is proud to present the 2010 workshop series on domestic solar hot water and space heating. From March 20th, 2010 through October 16th, 2010 workshops are available across the state. These courses are recognized by Renewable Energy of Vermont (REV) as credits towards applying for Solar Thermal Partnership. Learn how to design, install and maintain solar thermal domestic hot water and space heating systems for Vermont climate!
When/Where: All workshops run 8am -5pm and include lunch. SHW Day 1 -- March 20th Burlington, VT @Vermont Energy Investment Corp SHW Day 2 -- April 3rd Montpelier, VT @ City Hall
SHW Day 1 -- May 15th Brattleboro, VT @ BuildingGreen, LLC SHW Day 2 -- June 24th White River Junction, VT Vermont @ groSolar SHW Day 1 -- July 7th Montpelier, VT @ City Hall
SHW Day 2 -- August 5th Burlington, VT @ Vermont Energy Investment Corp SHW Day 1 -- September 18th Manchester, VT @ r.k. Miles SHW Day 2 -- October 21th Middlebury, VT @ tbd
* Renewable Energy Vermont (REV) Solar Thermal Partnership approved training course. See details below for more information.
Who: These workshops are intended for: - Builders who want to encourage their clients to include solar hot water in their building and remodeling projects;
- Plumbing and heating contractors who want to learn the specifics of solar installations for domestic hot water and heating systems; - Anyone interested in expanding their knowledge of a sophisticated renewable technology.
Cost: $285 One Day, $450 Two Days, $45 Discount to BSR Members. $40 Early Registration Discount (2 weeks prior to workshop date) Contact BSR for information on plumber discounts.
Details: This course is recognized by REV. Licensed plumbers who attend a 8hr workshop will be eligible to apply for "REV Solar Thermal Provisional partnership". Full Solar Partnership is awarded to Provisional Partners who complete a dw systems with REV oversight. Non-licensed plumbing professionals attending both workshops will receive 16 hours of credit towards eligibility. Solar Thermal Partnership is required to access Vermont renewable energy incentives.
Why Solar Hot Water (SHW)? SHW the hottest growing green industries in an exploding green marketplace. SHW is easily incorporated into building plans and installed on existing homes. SHW is the least expensive renewable energy system.
SHW has the #1 Return on the Investment (ROI) for the homeowner. SHW makes economic sense.
Workshop Benefits: Learn how to design, install and maintain solar thermal domestic hot water and space heating systems for Vermonts climate!
Achieve up to 16 hours of REV approved training credits towards gaining Solar Partnership. Start connecting to federal and state incentives that offer up to 60% off the total installation cost of these systems.
Create contacts and network with supplies, like minded builders and plumbers. Gain firsthand knowledge from presenter Michael Horowitz who brings 25 years of expert experience to the podium.
Workshop Outlines: Day 1 Introduction to Solar Domestic Hot Water and Solar Space Heating Systems appropriate for Vermonts Climate Domestic Solar Hot Water Component Details Siting, Sizing and Design of DSHW Installation & Maintenance for DSHW
Economic Payback Overview & Marketing Strategies for Solar Hot Water Overview of Federal & State Incentives and the Renewable Energy Vermont Solar Partnership Application
Day 2 Solar Space Heating Design Details Including Passive Solar and Active Solar Sources.
Advanced System Components for DSHW and Solar Space Heating Systems. Troubleshooting for all Solar Systems and Common Components Maintenance Concerns. Introduction to Solar Mathematics for siting and sizing systems.
Solar Hot Water Marketing and Economic Paybacks Plus Incentives. Lunch will be provided for all attendees during which networking will be encouraged and access to our sponsors resources will be available.
Hosted By: Building for Social Responsibility, VT Chapter of Northeast Sustainable Energy Association.
Sponsored by: Sunward, groSolar, Vermont Sustainable Jobs Fund and BuildingGreen, LLC
Reserve now while space is available! Building For Social Responsibility P.O. Box 8882 Burlington, VT 05402
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