Our reality is just shadows in the cave - we are living in chains as Rousseau claimed, and only our construct of civilization can set us free. We have a lot to learn from these 17 c & 18 c philosophers. On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Robert Riversong wrote: > More exquisite rationalization. > > The "real" world is exactly what we choose to make it. Every choice > we make and every action we take creates that world at every moment. > > If the only rational way to live was to live by the status quo - > however imperfect or unjust or cruel or violent - then change would > be impossible and we may as well accept a Hobbesian existence of > "war of every man against every man" and a life that is "solitary, > poor, nasty, brutish and short". > > > > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Jeff Hodgson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: Jeff Hodgson <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: BSR - VT Solar Hot Water Workshops 2010 Series! > To: "VGBN Discussion" <[log in to unmask]>, "Robert Riversong" <[log in to unmask] > > > Cc: [log in to unmask] > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:24 PM > > Sure a sliding scale would be great, but I'm sorry Robert - I'd > have to agree with Jane & Malcolm. While your logic might make sense > in a Utopian society - we live in the real world. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:46 PM, "Robert Riversong" <[log in to unmask] > > wrote: > >> Don't even go there. That's the most exquisite rationalization for >> charging fees for information - and often high fees, since the >> corollary is that which costs more is more valued. >> >> The truth is that people value that which improves their lives, >> including many things we would not (at least not most of us) even >> think of charging for, such as friendship, companionship, empathy, >> physical intimacy and sex, mentoring a child, assisting the elderly >> or comforting the dying. >> >> The measure of a healthy and sustainable society is one in which >> the most valuable services are part of a gift economy and the rest >> is bartered. >> >> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Jane Griswold <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> From: Jane Griswold <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: BSR - VT Solar Hot Water Workshops 2010 Series! >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:35 PM >> >> people value more what costs them money - I charge for a >> consultation because the money makes the client pays attention to >> what I say - same with seminars >> >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Malcolm Gray <[log in to unmask] >> > wrote: >> It costs to formulate and present, reasonable price for the >> information. still live in capitalism. Malcolm/Montpelier >> Construction >> On Mar 9, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Robert Riversong wrote: >> >>> If you really wanted to promulgate solar options, you'd make these >>> workshops free. Those of us who are most interested in lower >>> impact options are the ones least able to pay such fees. >>> >>> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, hillary haselton <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: hillary haselton <[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: BSR - VT Solar Hot Water Workshops 2010 Series! >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:29 PM >>> >>> For those interested! >>> >>> >>> >>> Solar Hot Water – Workshops – 2010 Series >>> >>> What: Building for Social Responsibility (BSR) is proud to present >>> the 2010 workshop series on domestic solar hot water and space >>> heating. From March 20th, 2010 through October 16th, 2010 >>> workshops are available across the state. 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