Hi Carol, Occam's Razor would, of course, dictate Phoebe, and "certainly not [a] fork-tailed thing!" Here was my end-of-long day thinking: My brain's first reaction was "not an E. K'brd," and an assumption (what is it they say about those? <g>) kicked in that of course you would know a phoebe, and that you apparently saw a kingbird-sized bird. THEN, you add the fact that that photo shows a definite contrast between the head (dark grey) and the back (light). With all that in mind, if I lived closer, I'd have checked it out. (And yes, I do have experience with Fork-tails of various ages.) Following a good night's sleep and a chance to ponder, I've thought, hmmmm.... maybe she's so new at birding she really doesn't know a phoebe????? Whew, that's what happens sometimes to us jaded birders --- stupid assumptions! Still, there is that dorsal contrast... (-: Anyway, good for you for getting out there and seeing things in a refreshing way! Watch for the good ol' Phoebe signature tail-wag and also in a week or two you'll probably start encountering Least Flycatchers. Listen for their enthusiastic sharp "che-BEK" call, and note how darned cute they are! Good birding! Susan always-hoping-for-the-unusual-bird Fogleman Campton NH -----Original Message----- From: Vermont Birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Scott Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:24 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] kingbird ?? at Button Bay Yeah, I'm hearing that a lot-- could be. But certainly not the fork- tailed thing! At least there's no doubt about the loon. On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:17 PM, Eve ticknor wrote: > How about a Phoebe?