I suppose that list members are used to mart's constant demonstrations that
he is an arrogant, ignorant asshole, but I wonder if our moderator might
consider having a word with him about it. I for one am tired of his PERSONAL
attacks on people on this list and his offensive way of expressing himself.
I don't suggest banning him, but perhaps being warned and put on moderation
by our moderator who seems strangely silent on this matter.


On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:04 AM, mart <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> i dont think you answered the questions.  also, those questions seem to
> come from a 'radio host', more interested in generating listeners (911
> truth, aids denial, gary nul.l  wakefield).    actually dont give a f-k.
>   my views is rather than proposing 'rational solutions' one can promote
> 'rational thinking' and people casn fugger it out theyselfs. sh-t likerly
> wont happen here.  its all ph d-.
> --- On *Fri, 6/11/10, herb fox <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
> From: herb fox <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Oil Drillers, located where?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 9:20 PM
> Good questions Mitch:
>  BP's rig the Deepwater Horizon at 1,260 meters above the ocean floor
> operates at but half the depth of the Independence Hub floating 2,414
> meters above the ocean bottom.  These are but two of the 6669 platforms and
> rigs active and removed of which 819 are presently still fully manned.  In
> other words Deepwater Horizon was but one unlucky match in the tinder box
> and BP but one of the oligopoly that produces 23% of US oil out of the gulf
> (about 2% of global production).
> Of even more significance is the pattern of consumption in the US (See
> attached chart.).  2/3 of oil consumed in US goes for transportation.  The
> many idle and torn-up RR tracks are in part the consequence of deliberate
> policy decisions almost 60 years ago that resulted in the building of a
> network of highways to accommodate trucking and the consciously stimulated
> emerging two-car per family households.  Gentrification in the cities as old
> factory buildings became apartments, office suites, etc and the newer
> industries established production facilities in circumurban industrial
> developments required inner city workers to commute to work outside the city
> center with no choice but gas guzzling clunkers.  Why no choice?  Because
> there has been no significant investment in public transportation.  Then
> when the current crisis threatened to terminate the US auto industry and it
> came suckling at the federal teats, instead of using federal funds to
> retrain auto workers and put them to work in a massive program to build
> modern public transportation, the auto industry was pumped up and the
> government instituted incentives for the purchase of new cars.  And what is
> our role?  We complain about risky oil rigs and industry and government
> malfeasance; but do not suggest, promote and campaign for the rational
> alternatives that are actually realizable under this dysfunctional system.
> Consider another relationship.  Bringing home the military in the present
> economy with 15 million unemployed would tip the scale.  It doesn't have
> the capacity to absorb more workers.   But bringing them home to build
> infrastructure would save money and reduce oil consumption.
> Our country is one big cauldron of boiling rage and dissatisfaction.  What
> is need is a positive program that can unite large numbers who don't
> necessarily have to agree on everything.  What those who have a
> revolutionary perspective must grasp is that the experience of struggling
> for reasonable reforms and thereby discovering from where the opposition
> comes and the irrationality of its defense of the status quo is the school
> in which people learn who the enemy is, who they can trust, and how they
> have much more in common with their neighbors than with the turkeys in
> Washington.
> Yes, that's a rant, and i'm not sorry.  And yes i am doing something about
> it, not just ranting.  We don't have much time.
> herb
> On 6/11/2010 7:47 PM, Mitchel Cohen wrote:
> Questions:
> 1) BP is, unfortunately, the only corporation under attack for this
> devastating catastrophic gusher in the Gulf.
> Is there a list -- or better yet a MAP -- of where all of the deep sea oil
> drillers are located?
> 2) Many of these would be in international waters, I suspect. Does the US
> Coast Guard or other national agency of any country have jurisdiction? If
> not, who does?
> If no one, does that mean that every deep sea oil driller can do whatever
> it wants? Maritime Law? International Law?
> And if so, does that mean that any non-state actor (activist, ecologist)
> can take whatever measures THEY want with impunity as well, so long as
> they're in international waters?
> Thanx.
> Mitchel

Michael Balter
Contributing Correspondent, Science
Adjunct Professor of Journalism,
New York University

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