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Mitchel:

OK.  But if there is only one primary source of news in Cuba and no
opposition news, then that is a serious problem.  Makes democratic socialism
difficult if not impossible

I realize that their resources are more scarce than ours, but how much more
scarce and how it affects information distribution I do not know.

Larry

From:  Mitchel Cohen <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:  Fri, 13 May 2011 13:45:49 -0400
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Subject:  Re: provocateurs and Stalinists

Hi Larry,

I didn't mean my question about allocation of scarce resources to be
rhetorical. It's a central decision of all (especially poor, or "poorer than
the U.S.") countries.

Cuba makes such allocations based on very different principles than
capitalist ones.

Mitchel




At 01:39 PM 5/13/2011, Larry Romsted wrote:
> Mitchel:
> 
> Does no good to ask someone, me, a rhetorical question about something that
> they do not know about.  I have tried to be clear in a number of emails that I
> am ignorant about Cuba society.
> 
> Please provide information or information sources about MANY independent
> medias.
> 
> Larry
> 
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> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:21:23 -0400
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> Subject: Re: provocateurs and Stalinists
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> At 11:35 AM 5/13/2011, Larry Romsted wrote:
>> Sam:
>> 
>> I cannot evaluate what is happening in Cuba in terms of social structures,
>> but they probably need an independent media, does not need to be corporate,
>> just independent, and independent political parties. Is that possible?
>> 
>> Larry
> 
> Why would you think that they don't have MANY "independent" medias?
> 
> Some questions:
> Where is the paper to print a newspaper to come from? (Who should have
> priority to have access to that resource, only those who could afford to pay
> for purchasing paper and producing it, as it is here in the U.S.?)
> 
> The question of allocation of resources is very real. It's ONE OF the reasons
> for Cuba setting up sanitariums in the past for people with AIDS. (I am not
> saying that there was not also problems with the policy of requiring people
> who tested positive for HIV to move to a sanitarium. But it did allow the BEST
> nutrition and care to be provided at centralized locations, where given Cuba's
> circumstances it could not have been provided scattershot, all over the place.
> As a result, Cuba has the lowest incidence of AIDS in the world, I believe.)
> 
> Mitchel
> 
> 
>> From: S E Anderson <[log in to unmask] >
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>> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:38:24 -0400
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>> Subject: Re: provocateurs and Stalinists
>> 
>> SftP Folk,
>> 
>> I just got back from a week in Cuba. Haven't been there in many years. I was
>> there during the collapse of the Soviet Union and a little while after
>> that.... and over those years, kept in touch with ordinary folk we befriended
>> as well as key party and government folk.
>> 
>> I remember the US Left back in those terrible days of postSoviet Cuba
>> fiercely and arrogantly criticizing the Cubans for beginning to abandon
>> socialism and head on down the capitalist road with their push for increasing
>> tourism and attempts at what seemed to be privatizing farming. These Lefties
>> were predicting the capitulation of the Cuban Communist Party to capitalism
>> within a few years.
>> 
>> Obviously it did not happen. Obviously the Cubans still have a ton of social,
>> economic and cultural issues to deal with. And obviously, after 50 years and
>> almost three generations of folk, you have a different mindset among ordinary
>> Cubans than you have here in the US over that same period of time. I believe
>> that Cuban mindset is a better mindset to deal with the protracted struggle
>> for equity and democracy than what has developed here-- even among the white
>> Left here in the US.
>> 
>> I ask a simple question to my Leftist Comrades: What Should the Cuban
>> leadership and people do to advance Socialism in Cuba? We criticize but offer
>> nothing to help them along the Socialist Road.
>> 
>> Can we- the tiny discombulated and atomized Left in the US (and the West) be
>> so arrogant as to just stand and criticize as all-knowing socialist gods?
>> 
>> In Struggle,
>> 
>> Sam Anderson
>> 
>> amamamamamamamamamamamamamaam
>> On May 11, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Larry Romsted wrote:
>> 
>>> Mitchel:
>>> 
>>> Ok. All generalizations are wrong (including this one). :)
>>> 
>>> My generalization about the view of Cuba by members of this list is now
>>> wrong. 
>>> 
>>> Sigh.  Hard to generalize without taking a poll and that will probably make
>>> things more complicated not less.
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
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>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:46:46 -0400
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>>> Subject: Re: provocateurs and Stalinists
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>>> At 03:33 PM 5/11/2011, Larry Romsted wrote:
>>> Yes, but I think you mis read this list. Virtually all the who respond about
>>> Cuba think of it as state capitalist, not including myself. I don't have a
>>> full understand about Cuba
>>> 
>>> Hi Larry,
>>> Unlike the USSR, I do not think of Cuba as state capitalist. Cuba's system
>>> is a form of socialism.
>>> 
>>> Mitchel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Ring the bells that still can ring,  Forget your perfect offering.
>>> There is a crack, a crack in everything, That's how the light gets in.
>>> ~ Leonard Cohen
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