Your statements below remind me of a FOX news broadcast.  Conclusions based
on unnamed sources without verifiable documentation in a newspaper
(Washington Post) article; one hallmark of polemicists.  I am surprised that
you as a serious leftist would fall for it.

I did a little "scientific" investigation.  I went through the Post article
below and looked for the name of an expert or expert whose "expertise"
could, in principle, be checked.  This is an obvious reaction by me because
you claim that Chomsky relies almost entirely on secondary sources.  So, I
decided to evaluate the credibility of the sources that you use for drawing
your conclusion that " give the lie to Chomsky's insistence that there is no
evidence bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11."  I conclude that you see
the Washington Post as fount of truth so trustworthy that if they write
"unnamed source" or "US Intelligence official" we should just believe them.

Also, none of the information in the article addresses evidence concerning
9/11.  So how could it demonstrate that Chomsky is lying about the evidence
that bin Laden carried out 9/11?

Do you believe that unnamed sources never lie to the public?  Do you believe
the intelligence officials never manipulate the press or reporters? Do you
believe it is wise to accept as truthful stories that are free of

I think I. F. Stone would be very, very disappointed in you.

Me, before drawing conclusions about what Osama has done and what was the
truth about how he died, I will wait for the publishing of that treasure
trove of documents that is mentioned below and give time for people to
analyze it.

Yea, I know in about 50 years.  But what is important to building a strong
left is not this execution, but to struggle for social justice and
protection of the planet.  In that sense Evo Morales and the Bolivian
government are in the forefront.  I have forgotten exactly what they have
done, but they are pushing legislation to protect mother earth and the
people on it.  They are way out in front of the US federal government.

I have highlighted some text in red.


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Subject:  Fwd: Post Exclusive: Bin Laden consumed with repeating attack on
U.S., officials say

Now on to more "provocative" topics.

The following report would seem to give the lie to Chomsky's insistence that
there is no evidence bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11, and by
implication with other terrorist attacks. But actually we've always had
plenty of evidence that he was involved. It's important to remember that
Chomsky is a polemicist who relies almost entirely on secondary sources, and
not on his own original research. And yet he is often treated like a guru
who has a special fountain of knowledge.

The meme that OBL had nothing to do with 9/11 (and yes, it is meme-like in
its behavior, because it is repeated despite evidence) is simply 9/11 truth
lite, and I find it surprising that serious leftists would fall for it.

What serious leftists are you talking about?  Name some names.  Christopher
Hitchens?  Marc Cooper?


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Bin Laden¹s preoccupation with U.S. said to be source of friction with
By  Greg Miller 
<>  and Karen
DeYoung <> ,
Published: May 11 
Osama bin Laden was preoccupied with attacking the United States over all
other targets, a fixation that led to friction with followers, according to
U.S. intelligence officials involved in analyzing the trove of materials
recovered from the al-Qaeda leader¹s compound.

Unnamed U.S. Intelligence officials.  No verifiable documentary evidence
supplied below.

In handwritten journals and long-winded compositions saved on computer hard
drives, the officials said, bin Laden always seemed to be searching for a
way to replicate the impact of al-Qaeda¹s most devastating strike. He
exhorted followers to explore ways to recruit non-Muslims ³who are oppressed
in the United States,² in the words of one official ‹ particularly African
Americans and Latinos  ‹ and to assemble a plot in time for the 10th
anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.Even while sealed inside a cement
compound in a Pakistani city, bin Laden functioned like a crime boss pulling
strings from a prison cell, sending regular messages to his most trusted
lieutenants and strategic advice to far-flung franchises, including
al-Qaeda¹s affiliate in Yemen. Some followers pledged their fealty to him;
others, however, chafed at his exhortations to remain focused on U.S.
targets instead of mounting less risky operations in places such as Yemen,
Somalia and Algeria.³Bin Laden is saying, ŒYou¹ve got to focus on the U.S.
and the West,¹ ² said a senior U.S. intelligence official who was involved
in reviewing the stockpile, adding that some of bin Laden¹s followers seemed
more concerned with regional issues and were reluctant to conduct an attack
that would provoke an American response. A little over a week after
obtaining one of the largest intelligence hauls on a terrorist group, U.S.
officials involved in reviewing the trove said they are learning more about
bin Laden and the al-Qaeda bureaucracy than about the locations of
operatives or specific plots that might be unfolding.Overall, the officials
said, the new information ‹ as well as the lack of any apparent effort by
bin Laden to prevent it from falling into U.S. hands ‹ provides a strikingly
rich portrait of the al-Qaeda chief. ³Bin Laden got lazy and complacent,²
said the senior U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity
because of the sensitivity of the information. ³I don¹t think he thought he
would meet his maker in that house. And he certainly didn¹t make any
preparations² to escape a raid or destroy the information found inside, the
official said.Officials said they are still in triage mode as they sift
through the contents of more than 110 flash drives, laptops and other
digital storage devices, in addition to piles of paper documents. The trove,
which represents millions of pages that must be translated from Arabic, is
being scrutinized at a secret CIA facility in Northern Virginia. Analysts
and Arabic linguists from other agencies are being brought in to review the
materials.The early effort has focused on searching the most recent
materials for key words, including the names of major American cities.
Analysts are also scanning for references to names of al-Qaeda figures,
phone numbers and other details that could provide clues for CIA operatives
and military counterterrorism teams working overseas.U.S. officials said bin
Laden had a relatively short list of senior al-Qaeda members whom he was in
touch with frequently and directly, albeit through messages smuggled out of
the compound by couriers.Among them were Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian
physician who had long functioned as bin Laden¹s second in command, as well
as Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, a Libyan operative who is the latest to fill the
organization¹s vulnerable No. 3 slot.Bin Laden¹s directions tended to be
big-picture in nature, officials said, focusing more on broader objectives
than on granular operational details. ³I wouldn¹t call it command and
control² that bin Laden was exercising, the senior U.S. intelligence
official said. Indeed, there is no indication that bin Laden even knew the
specific whereabouts of Zawahiri and others. Al-Qaeda¹s fragmented nature
and operational security appear to have kept its leader substantially in the
dark.³We¹re not going to find operational manuals or Excel spreadsheets²
with rosters of operatives and points of contact, the senior intelligence
official said. Bin Laden served as a ³chief executive who is giving fairly
generic, broad instructions and guidance rather than tactical orders,² the
official said.Even so, the communications are expected to help the CIA and
other organizations, including the National Counterterrorism Center, gain
significant insights into al-Qaeda¹s structure and relationship to regional
affiliates.The U.S. intelligence official said bin Laden¹s records have
³confirmed our view that AQAP is first among equals in terms of
relationships with al-Qaeda core.² The acronym refers to al-Qaeda in the
Arabian Peninsula, the Yemen-based group that has been behind a series of
plots targeting the United States, including the attempted bombing of a
Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day 2009.Bin Laden does not appear to
have been in communication with the most widely recognized AQAP figure, the
American-born cleric Anwar al-Aulaqi, a relative newcomer who never met the
al-Qaeda leader, U.S. officials said. But bin Laden did relay messages to
others in Yemen whom he appears to have known personally.Largely because of
Aulaqi¹s influence, AQAP has emerged as what U.S. counterterrorism officials
have described as the most immediate threat to American interests.Because
bin Laden ³was the author and prime proponent of global jihad,² a central
question among counterterrorism analysts is ³whether some of that ebbs² with
bin Laden¹s death, the U.S. official said.A second U.S. official familiar
with the data review said that, based on the records, bin Laden also seemed
to have placed a low priority on operations inside Afghanistan and Pakistan,
urging his network to focus on efforts that will ³make America weak, using
Latinos and African Americans, people who are oppressed in the United
States.²Al-Qaeda has articulated such goals before. In 2007, Zawahiri issued
a message that appealed in part to African Americans, saying, ³We are waging
jihad to lift oppression from all mankind.²Al-Qaeda appears to have done
little to recruit minorities beyond issuing such appeals, officials said.
³Their recruiting has been extremely passive² in recent years, the senior
U.S. intelligence official said. ³It¹s not like they have talent scouts at
mosques in the United States.²The trove does not point to any contact
between bin Laden and members of the Pakistani military or intelligence
services. The fact that bin Laden appears to have spent the past six years
hiding in a compound surrounded by Pakistani military installations,
including the country¹s top military academy, has fueled speculation that
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