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Let me add one personal observation on race relations in Havana and in
Brooklyn, New York where I lived while working in SUNY-HSCB during most of
the 1980s and most of the 1990s.

My first visit to Cuba was in June 1994--it was the depth of the economic
depression that was largely caused by the loss of trade and credit relations
with the Soviet Bloc countries (COMECON<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comecon>).
 I went to Cuba mostly because I was a distant admirer of the revolution
which had taken the Cuban people much further than anywhere else in the
so-called Third World. Also, a student in my comparative health policy in
the medical school had visited Cuba and presented fascinating account of its
health care system together with a slide show.

I wrote an article<http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxrYW1yYW5uYXllcml8Z3g6Mjg0NzcwMmM2N2VlYjZkMQ&pli=1>published
in the Journal of Community Health about my impression of the
Cuban health care system at the time of that great crisis--comparable only
to the Great Depression in the U.S.

After my return, I was taking a Sunday afternoon walk in the Prospect Park
and telling stories about my visit to a friend who was interested in Cuba.
 As we walked on the trails of the park, I noticed how he and I habitually
checked our surroundings for any sign of a mugger.  I was mugged myself
(twice unsuccessfully as I fought the muggers) previously. Race relations
were tense those days. My muggers were all African-American youth (I do not
approve of their actions--but I do not wish to leave any impression that
hold these kids SOCIALLY responsible for their actions--they were in my mind
themselves victims of centuries of racism).

It occurred to me that in Havana I NEVER had to worry for my safety. Havana
has beautiful nights and walking there at late hours is something many
foreigners and Cubans do. Streets are dark as Cubans (like most Third World
countries with scarce resources) keep the lights out in public places as
much as possible.

It also occurred to me that there is much more inter-racial mix in Cuba than
in any other country I have ever visited.  In fact, as any traveller can
verify almost immediately, Cubans are mostly Mulatto (mixed races).  It is
much harder to be a racist in Cuban not because it is outlawed but also
because where would you draw the line among skin colors or facial features.

My subsequent visits has shown to me that some older white Cubans still hold
racist views. But the bulk of the young people and most Cubans are too
educated and too mixed to be racists.

Cuba's internationalist policies where millions of the population has gone
to internationalist missions in Africa and elsewhere--many voluntarily
belies the idea the Cubans are a racist nation.  300,000 Cubans fought South
African Apartheid campaign of arming and supporting UNITA
counter-revolutionary bloody war in Angola--many gave their lives.  How many
Americans will fight for Africans freedom if asked? Cuban health care
professionals have been helping Africans for 50 years.  These efforts could
not be sustained in a racist society.

To me, the Cuban experience shows that to end racism we also need to end
capitalism.

Kamran




On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Larry Romsted
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Sam:
>
> I really appreciate your detailed statement about racism in Cuba.  The
> problem at least initially appears to be as deep in Cuba as it was here in
> the US, as were and are the problems of sexism and homophobia.
>
> I have a request.  A number of us on the list have been calling on Michael
> Balter to tone down the rhetoric.  Would you please do that as well?  Your
> anger at Michael is not subtle, e.g., "…folks like Mr Balter do a FoxNews
> style of exaggeration…" and "…[y]our statement falls into the same bag as
> the Tea Party folk and Donald Trump declaring Obama a non US Citizen…"
>
> As a contributor to some of the invective myself, I am going to try.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
> From: S E Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Science for the People Discussion List <
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> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:06:00 -0400
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Clarification Regarding Lingering Racism In Cuba
>
> SftP Folks,
>
> My mention of lingering forms of racism inside of Cuba was not to equate
> their forms of racism with that of the US as Michael Balter has asserted:
>
> I would say that Sam's description of the depths of racism in Cuba was
>> quite shocking. I hope he is wrong, because it would be pretty depressing if
>> after 50+ years of "socialism" *Cuba was still as racist as the United
>> States or even more so.*
>>
>>
> The quest to completely paint Cuba as one of the most horrible places on
> earth, folks like Mr Balter do a FoxNews style of exaggeration of your
> statement to mesh your views with their desired views.
>
> It is not depressing when you contextualize the struggle against racism
> that has had a 500 year head start grounded in the material basis of society
> and embedded within ones language and worldview.
>
> 1959 saw Cuba with a deep and virulent form of racism that was propped up
> by its semicolonial status with a *de jure* segregated US racist
> imperialist (redundancy for emphasis). Black and Brown Cubans were almost
> nonexistent as professionals of any type outside of sports and
> entertainment. Internalization of racist beliefs of inferiority was
> widespread (but not necessarily the norm among Black & Brown Cuban). Hence,
> the Revolution leaders- mainly white -had the initial misconception that by
> the mere eradication of the capitalist material basis for racism, racism
> would disappear and that the peasants and workingclass of Cuba would
> starting developing Cuba within a postracial context.
>
> Their fundamental error was to misunderstand the profundity and complexity
> of racism as something that the quest for capital spawned yet has developed
> a life of its own within minds of people- independent of class and gender.
> Over the past 5 decades many Black Cubans *loyal to the Socialist
> Revolution* struggled inside and outside of the Communist Party to get
> antiracist policies and practices enacted. Much discussion and lots of
> essays written ensued to eventually convince the leadership that the
> question of racial inequity is a real problem even within a society that is
> trying to become a socialist one.
>
> The first thing Cubans have slowly come to realize is that you cannot erase
> vestiges of 500 year-old racism/white supremacy in 50 years. You merely
> BEGIN the process of undoing racism by first recognizing that it still exist
> in the hearts and minds of many Cubans (marry a lighter skinned person to
> "improve the race"; the "good hair"/"bad hair" myth; the well dressed young
> Black-as-pimp-or-prostitute; the darker you are the less intelligence you
> have and the more physical you are...). They are getting it now that they do
> not live in a postracial society as was proclaimed back in the late 60s and
> 70s.
>
> In the past 50 years, the Cuban have made greater strides towards the
> eradication of racism and white supremacy than what we have made inside the
> US. Look at its political leadership, its labor leadership, its medical and
> education leadership, its scientific leadership.... Then look at the paucity
> of Black and Brown faces in these very same areas in the US. In 1971 or 1981
> I could not say this about Cuba because they were just creating that very
> first generation of Black and Brown intellectuals and skilled workers: men
> and women whose parents never thought they would see a Cuba where its
> African and Mestizo descendants could be not only in positions of political
> power but also in positions of science, engineering, skilled work and
> administration.
>
> The Cubans have learned that building Socialism Cuban Style means that,
> among many many things, you no longer gloss over or simplify complex
> problems like racism/white supremacy or sexism that are at the very core of
> your society. The Cuban women's struggle against sexism, for example, has
> laid the foundation for its current struggle to eradicate antigay ideas and
> practices. This was unheard of back in the 90s much less at the beginning of
> the Revolution.... They are taking up the antiracist fight starting
> simultaneously from within Black Cuba and the government. It is not pretty,
> but it is also not about doing treasonous work or wishing for capitalism.
> The real thing about Cuba is that today and tomorrow it is a mainly Black
> and Brown nation coming to grips with the idea of "race" and its meaning
> within a society figuring how to build socialism in a world dominated by all
> forms of virulent but dying capitalism.
>
> So, Mr Balter, there's no way in Hell that Cuba "is still as racist as the
> US or even more so." Wherever you are on the planet, your arrogant but
> ignorant statement objectively helps to reenforce the globalization process
> of white supremacy. Your statement falls into the same bag as the Tea Party
> folk and Donald Trump declaring Obama a non US Citizen: they know they can
> say this outright lie because it is coming from a white mouth and will be
> spread by the deeply racist corporate media. And they know that the white US
> citizenry is presently so dumbed down and infused with racism that anything
> coming from *any* white person must be truer than what any Black man has
> to say- even if he's the president of the US!
>
> But, here among SftP Folk, I know the vast majority of us see straight thru
> you to your disdain for people actually struggling for socialism on the
> ground.
>
> In Struggle,
>
> Sam Anderson
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