That's a highlighted future project I promised to collaborate on with some Ohio medical librarians...please count me in too! Pamela L. Bayer, MLIS Regional Manager Mercy Regional Library Services Email: [log in to unmask] St. Vincent: Phone: 419/251-2658 Fax: 419/251-4967 St. Charles: Phone: 419/696-7318 Fax: 419/696-7752 "Weiss, Ardis" <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: Medical To Libraries [log in to unmask] Discussion List cc <[log in to unmask] m.edu> Subject Re: Librarian salaries 05/03/2011 02:57 PM Please respond to "Weiss, Ardis" <[log in to unmask]> Count me in!!! Ardis Weiss, MS, BA Solving your problems. Saving your time. Resource Coordinator, Marketing Department San Antonio Community Hospital 999 San Bernardino Road Upland, CA 91786 909.920.4972 -----Original Message----- From: Patti Reynolds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:55 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Librarian salaries You mean a group voice....wouldn't that be fantastic. Patti Reynolds 941-917-1730 -----Original Message----- From: Monica Corcoran [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 2:53 PM To: Patti Reynolds; [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: Librarian salaries Patti, You are not out on a limb at all. Magnet is an excellent example, as is locating all manner of recertification and best practices materials, not to mention Evidence Based Practice information. Working with AMA, ANA, etc. is a good idea. Let's develop a campaign of sorts, and work on eliminating the need for individual librarians having to argue / delineate / explain our value to the organization every year. Monica Corcoran, MLIS Medical Librarian Deaconess Hospital 600 Mary Street Evansville, IN 47747 812-450-3385 812-450-7255 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Patti Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:08 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Librarian salaries I may be going out on a limb here but this is my thought. We advocate for physicians, nurses and other allied health care workers in order to provide them with the best evidence based information to do their jobs and promote patient care and patient safety. I would like to see the AMA and the other respective medical associations as well as the ANA and similar organizations, as well as the MLA., take up the issue of the value of the medical library and the professional status of medical librarians, informationists or whatever we deem we are. With specialties in almost all areas looking for specialized certification, it would only seem appropriate that they would have to have the best information available. Magnet as an example!!! Are there magnet hospitals without libraries or librarians. Information systems and Human Resource employees do not do literature searches nor are they completely qualified to know which databases and journals to license, nor do they focus their attention to the delivery of up to the minute information..They do not create and manage web pages which answer the needs of those who use evidence based medicine. And yet these departments have incredible clout. I worry for the young people coming into our field with skills far superior than I ever had. They need advocates and they need to be chosen for these superior skills. We need to have google like workplaces and salaries for our brightest up and coming professionals. As I said before this takes collaboration outside the field and dedicated advocates. These are just a few of my random thoughts..thanks for "listening" Patti Reynolds 941-917-1730 -----Original Message----- From: Weiss, Ardis [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:56 PM To: Patti Reynolds; [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: Librarian salaries I totally agree. I have had to fight for my salary increases and job level adjustments, and have been fed quite a bit of BS - pardon my frank language - by HR people about what my level is and why it has to be so. For instance, I was told that OSHPD (Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development for State of California) dictates that the medical librarian position is at a Technician level. From my own research, I did not find that to be the case. OSHPD puts Master's degreed librarians in the Professional/Management category. Just one example. And I feel that my attempts to justify and support my position have been met with resistance and displeasure. Ardis Weiss, MS, BA -----Original Message----- From: Patti Reynolds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:49 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Librarian salaries I have been privately and locally discussing this for some time. I think the time has come to open not only a discussion of our wage level in comparison to other professions but also the methods in which Human Resources departments arrive at wage levels. Job descriptions call for advanced degrees on the masters level, technological abilities and computer skills that cover a vast array of individual skills found in many Information Systems Departments. The ability to negotiate online licenses, manage web pages, and deal with the newer informatic technologies that deal with electronic medical record integration are all skill which are above and beyond the old professional standard of medical librarian. Since so many libraries still maintain the old print standard and others are moving into the electronic world it is critical to capture this movement and inform our own professionals and also address the issues of low salary scales. I have said for some time that we cannot accept a standard which diminishes the profession and yet we must be ready to move beyond the status quo. We need to cooperate and collaborate to move this issue... thanks Patti Reynolds ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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