NTbackup to her network folder automatically every day. David Isham Network Administrator Grand Isle Supervisory Union 5038 US Rte 2 North Hero, VT 05474 802-372-6921 vox 802-372-4898 fax . ________________________________ From: School Information Technology Discussion on behalf of Bjorn Behrendt Sent: Wed 6/15/2011 9:44 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: file server vs. cloud I just got an email from the guidance counselor this morning. Apparently her laptop dropped smashing her usb key, which held basically everything. Nothing was put on my local shared drive and she was one of the "I'm like M$ Office" users so not much was on Google Docs. Guess what she lost everything. I did suggest checking her Gmail, since many of the important documents would hopefully have been emailed. While writing this, I just remembered I set up Google Cloud Connect on her computer so there may be a glimmer of hope for her. Go Google ~ oh and if you have not heard of Cloud Connect, it basically adds Google Sharing and Multiuser writing to MS Office documents. http://tools.google.com/dlpage/cloudconnect ~ Great transition between local storage and cloud storage and fits this thread nicely. Bjorn Behrendt [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> AskBj.net <http://askbj.net/> ~ Professional development webinars (802) 772-0003 Google Apps For Education Certified Trainer IT Coordinator for Mount St. Jospeh Academy On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Eric Hall <[log in to unmask]> wrote: BRAVO Josh! I have worried that with the advent of cloud apps and cloud storage that our students would have a hard time developing some of these "basics" that they already struggle with (as do MANY adults). To that end we are currently using local storage K-4 and moving "to the cloud" in 5th grade. This partly because that is when they transition between schools anyway. SO that brings up the question... how early are others introducing Google Apps and other cloud tools? E On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Josh Blumberg <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I believe there are three or four critical concepts that need to be taught to students to allow for the saving of files: 1. How hierarchical structures work. Saving in folders creates a hierarchical structure. Teachers are very familiar with teaching students to outline with Roman numerals and it is important to see the exact parallel between an outline and a folder structure. It is an important exercise for teachers to help students create organizational folders within their documents folder. 2. How tagging works. Google Apps has gotten away from hierarchical structures and instead uses tagging (labels and collections). One item can be in multiple collections. This is an important concept that is increasingly being used in cloud based applications (and traditional apps as well). 3. How shared folders and permissions work. This is where we struggle most within our own schools. It is important for students and staff to know that they can save in shared folders that have different permissions (and in some cases how they can manage these permissions). This is a key skill for collaboration. 4. Optional: In an ideal world, all students would learn about file paths: PC: \\server\Share\folder\file Mac: afp://server/Share/folder/file - Josh Blumberg Hi All, I don't know about you but I think file management and understanding file structure is one of the biggest issues/obstacles we have in trying to train people on and helping them to understand where to save stuff and how to locate it after they have saved it. ("I just clicked save - I don't know where it is") Does anyone have some sure fire - easy to understand tutorial that will train ANYONE on how to understand this concept? This applies to cloud or server based storage!! 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