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PS, and to make things clear--What George is calling a lie is actually an
accurate characterization of what he said and its implications; same goes
for what Sam said. People should not call others liars to cover up their
discomfort at having a mirror put in front of their faces.

MB

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Michael Balter <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> As I indicated privately to Larry yesterday, some people on this list seem
> to have formed an obsession with Michael Balter. I wish they would get over
> it and make their own contributions to this list. Larry, who not so long ago
> posted nearly always only to criticize me, has been getting a little better
> lately and occasionally posts original material for discussion.
>
> George, since he has been back on the list, has posted only on the subject
> of Michael Balter, unless I am forgetting something (if I have forgotten, it
> should not be construed as a lie, but simply a lapse in memory.) He, too,
> seems to have an obsession, which goes back to his earlier time as moderator
> when he temporarily kicked me off the list for my political statements
> (which led to a walkout by several list members.)
>
> Unfortunately, that leaves only a small number of list members who actually
> keep this list going by posting material of relevant interest. They include
> myself, Robert, Sam, Mitchel, occasionally Michael G. and Larry, and no more
> than a few others. Then there are list members who usually only respond to
> others' posts or participate in discussions once they have started; these
> include usually very interesting comments from Claudia, Mandi, Herb, and a
> few others.
>
> I am proud of my role on this list, and of the fact that I initiate a
> significant percentage of the discussions that take place here; but
> nevertheless:
>
> There are supposed to be about 100 members of this list, but only about 10%
> of them make their views known or participate actively. That is unfortunate,
> and leads to a domination of the list by a small number of people.
>
> Some people here, like George and Larry, think that I am some sort of a
> problem for this list and seem never to tire of talking about Michael
> Balter. But I am just one person, and I can be ignored, deleted, or spam
> filtered if people don't like what I say and feel that they can't tolerate
> being exposed to my comments and thoughts. What would be great is if more
> people participated on this list, posted their own materials, and engaged in
> discussions. That might help the small number of obsessives on this list get
> over their fixation with Michael Balter.
>
> MB
>
> PS--I hate to have to predict it, but very likely at least one person will
> respond to this message by wanting to talk about Michael Balter again.
> Nevertheless I hope that some lurking list members will respond by
> participating more actively in providing interesting posts.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Dr. Science <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>      Michael Balter wrote, on Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM, "Some
>> time ago George volunteered to take over from Michael Goldhaber as
>> moderator. He even promised not to censor anyone, which I thought was
>> encouraging. But I would hope his comments below disqualify him from
>> that role, as he clearly does not have the evenhandedness that it
>> would take to moderate a list such as this, with its diverse
>> viewpoints. Indeed, pretty much George's only contribution to this
>> list since his return has been to attack me personally.
>>
>>      "I do have to laugh out loud at George's criticisms of Michael
>> G. for allegedly defending me, however. Michael G. has let dozens of
>> personal attacks like this one go by without comment, but regularly
>> steps in to chastise me if I express myself ironically or
>> sarcastically."
>>
>>      For Mr. Balter's peace of mind, or rather what passes for his
>> "mind", I have neither any desire nor intent to try to censor the
>> rubbish he appears compelled to post here. Each person is free, thanks
>> to the wonderful efforts of the WikiLeaks folks, to make an ass of
>> himself, as Michael Balter makes evident. The world is heavily
>> populated with people whose ignorance is cultivated by the (largely
>> Zionist aligned and owned "American Free Press"). I do not detest
>> people for being ignorant. I only wish they were better informed about
>> the actual world in which they (and all of us) are forced to live.
>> There is but one reason why I detest Michael Balter: He lied in
>> attributing to me a statement I never made and he refused to make any
>> correction. My passion is for a world of mutual trust, for which we
>> must learn to say only what we believe is true. I simply do not accept
>> Balter's (or anyone's) "right to lie".
>>
>>      I readily acknowledge my vast ignorance and am glad to make
>> corrections and apologies whenever my errors are pointed out to me. I
>> also acknowledge that the privileged and hubris-ridden American Jews,
>> who largely populate my ethnic roots, give me one pain in the ass.
>> They are no more nor less detestable than any other privileged and
>> hubris-ridden ethnic group. They have probably not experienced the
>> beauty of the humble unprivileged indigenous peoples whose Oaxaca
>> could serve as a model for the world. Sincerely --George
>>
>
>
>
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> Michael Balter
> Contributing Correspondent, Science
> Adjunct Professor of Journalism,
> New York University
>
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> “Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there
> is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."
>                                                   --John Kenneth Galbraith
>
>


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Michael Balter
Contributing Correspondent, Science
Adjunct Professor of Journalism,
New York University

Email:  [log in to unmask]
Web:    michaelbalter.com
NYU:    journalism.nyu.edu/faculty/michael-balter/
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“Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is
no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."
                                                  --John Kenneth Galbraith