another view----a fair amount of theoretical science which requires no lab/climic/field work is driven by cv padding----people write versions of the same paper (which nooone reads, and which clutter libraries) and juat keep building a rep.    'notch on my belt'.  they are busy being busy.   some hve written classic and intereting stufff but then go out.typicallly they dont mention other aproachers since thy are branding for history.

From: Mandi Smallhorne <[log in to unmask]>
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Yup. I just interviewed a young scientist, doing wonderful research into wound healing. When I asked if she wanted a family, she said No: “If you just look at my schedule, I don’t have time to devote to children.”
Mandi
 
From: Larry Romsted [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 15 February 2012 01:59 PM
To: Science for the People Discussion List; Mandi Smallhorne
Subject: Re: Motherhood detrimental to science careers?
 
Mandi:
 
Thanks for this well written and important article.  It shows that the amount of time demanded to have a successful academic career (finishing to retirement as the base), is nuts for men and women (50-60 hour work weeks) in the math based sciences.  And in the math base sciences, having a child makes the strain worse on women and seems to "liberate" men (statistically, Figure 6) to spend even more time at work.  I cannot assess the validity of this work, but on first reading it looks solid.
 
One recommendation that did not seem to be considered was the demand for a 40 hour work week.
 
Academic scientists are slaves to their work.  Child bearing women just cannot slave hard enough.  Jeez.
 
Larry
 
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"It is time for universities to move past thinking about underrepresentation of women in science solely as a consequence of biased hiring and evaluation, and instead think about it as resulting from outdated policies created at a time when men with stay-at-home wives ruled the academy."

Motherhood 'detrimental' to women's scientific careers, study concludes

ITHACA, N.Y. — Women with advanced degrees in math-intensive academic fields drop out of fast-track research careers primarily because they want children – not because their performance is devalued or they are shortchanged during interviewing and hiring, according to a new study at Cornell University.
"Motherhood – and the policies that make it incompatible with a tenure-track research career – take a toll on women that is detrimental to their professional lives. Even just the plan to have children in the future is associated with women exiting the research fast-track at a rate twice that of men," report Cornell human development professors Wendy Williams and Stephen Ceci in the March-April issue of the journal American Scientist (http://bit.ly/AoZBdP).
"It is time for universities to move past thinking about underrepresentation of women in science solely as a consequence of biased hiring and evaluation, and instead think about it as resulting from outdated policies created at a time when men with stay-at-home wives ruled the academy," said Williams, who founded the Cornell Institute for Women in Science, a research and outreach center that studies and promotes the careers of women scientists.
For the study, Williams and Ceci analyzed data related to the academic careers of women and men with and without children in academic fields, including math-heavy ones. They found that before becoming mothers, women have careers equivalent to or better than men's. "They are paid and promoted the same as men, and are more likely to be interviewed and hired in the first place," Williams said.
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The study builds on previous research by Williams and Ceci published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences showing that women in math-intensive fields did not face discrimination in hiring, publishing or funding.
The current research was supported by the National Institutes of Health.
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