On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:18 AM,
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I'm with Llano -- keep it going, please.
kj
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From: "Stephen Llano" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 11:47:51 PM
Subject: Re: NEUDC Sweepstakes Ideas
I like the NE sweeps simply because it motivates my newer students quite a bit, they dig it. And I think the corrections made a couple of years ago have worked well.
Llano
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Alfred C Snider <
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Hi Ruth!
Not my arguments, but here are some I can think of:
* Big programs will almost always win.
* It does not benefit new schools for them to be at the bottom.
* People may "game the system" by not attending smaller tournaments.
* In general, hurt smaller and newer tournaments. But, helps top 6 tournaments.
* Increases competition between schools instead of between people.
* Now we have a world sweeps we do not need a regional one.
I am sure there are more. Not trying to advocate, just trying to share.
Tuna
On 9/2/12 7:19 PM, Ruth Zisman wrote:
For those of us who have not been following this discussion for very long, could you remind us what the "solid criticisms" are of the current system?
I do recall that there was a criticism of the old system because in allowing schools to count any/all worlds tournaments that they attended, this would of course highly favor schools with the capacity/finances to travel internationally, extensively, etc. But
I do not recall the criticisms of the system as it is.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Alfred C Snider <
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Change it? Keep it the same? End it?
What do you think?
Do we want to end this sweepstakes? There have been solid criticisms. What say you? Discuss.
or
Shall we go ahead and do it again?
Changes, see the amended below. Or, we can go back to the original. Actually, we can do whatever we would like.
Would someone else like to count the sweepstakes points and put it online? That would be fine with me, in fact that sounds great as long as someone will do it correctly. To be quite honest, my math has been spotty at times, but close watchers have helped.
I am looking forward to debate in our region continuing to grow and improve in quality.
Tuna
2012-13 NEUDC SWEEPSTAKES PROPOSAL
BECOMING A PART OF THE SWEEPSTAKES:
• YOU SELF-IDENTIFY TO BE PART OF THE SWEEPSTAKES. THIS MEANS YOU SEND A REQUEST TO BE LISTED FOR THE YEAR.
TOURNAMENTS AND POINTS:
*
MUST BE A WUDC FORMAT TOURNAMENT.
*
CAN COUNT THE RESULTS FROM THE LARGEST SEVEN TOURNAMENTS IN THE NORTHEAST (NEW ENGLAND, NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY). THIS MAY INCLUDE USU IF IT IS HELD IN THE NORTHEAST. IT DOES COUNT YALE BUT NOT TOURNAMENTS IN CANADA. IF WORLDS IS HELD IN THE NORTHEAST IT WILL
COUNT.
BEST FOUR TEAMS COUNT FOR SWEEPSTAKES.
• 1 ST =3 POINTS, 2 ND =2 POINTS, 3 RD =1 POINT, 4 TH =0 POINTS.
• COUNT THE LAST SIX ROUNDS.
• 6 FOR ADVANCING IN ELIMS.
• 10 FIRST PLACE, 7 SECOND PLACE.
• HOSTING TEAMS CAN DEBATE BUT NOT GET POINTS, UNLESS HOSTING USU NATIONALS OR THE NATIONAL NOVICE TOURNAMENT. IF A TEAM HOSTS A TOURNAMENT, THEY CAN COUNT THE NEXT BIGGEST TOURNAMENT SO EVERYONE GETS SIX TOURNAMENTS TO COUNT.
• COUNT TOURNAMENTS DURING THE ACADEMIC YEAR SEPT 1 UNTIL MAY 1.
• HYBRIDS CAN DEBATE BUT NOT GET POINTS.
AWARDS
• AWARDS GO TO THE TOP FIVE SCHOOLS
• THE NUMBER ONE SCHOOL HAS TO BUY THE AWARDS.
• AWARDS MUST BE ENGRAVED WITH SCHOOL NAMES.
• THE AWARDS FOR 1-5 MUST BE THE SAME SIZE.
• MUST BE DELIVERED BY OCTOBER 1 OF FOLLOWING YEAR OR AT FIRST REGIONAL TOURNAMENT.
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