Well said. And let's not confuse the issue by pointing out that there are lots of other factors affecting bird populations besides cats. Extinction often involves multiple factors interacting with one another. Furthermore, we do not get to choose which species that cats attack. The cats choose. I don't want to see a study that shows that cat predation has led to the extinction of bird species "x". I want to keep common birds common. At 2.4 billion birds a year it is obvious that cats cause serious depredation of bird populations.

Bruce MacPherson
South Burlington

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From: Marvin Elliott <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Birds and cats etc.

I too strongly support keeping cats indoors for their own protection and that of 
wildlife. No one has mentioned the program and materials available from the 
American Bird Conservancy We 
too have gone through the frustration of dealing with neighbors cats hunting 
birds at our feeders. Fortunately for us the problem has gone away but I know it 
is only temporary. A new neighbor, a new cat, and the problem is back. Maybe now 
is the time to try to change our laws? All of our talk on the list will make us 
feel better but let's use our energy on our local and state legislatures. Many 
more feel the way we do. Lets protect the cats by keeping them indoors. What 
domestic animal should reasonably be allowed to roam at will? How many times to 
we have to repeat the problems associated with introduced species to know we 
have to stop.
Marv Elliott

Marvin Elliott
Vermont Birdhouses and Wood Products
Rutland Town, VT
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 From: Thomas Berriman <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Birds and cats etc.
"My point in all of this, expressed badly apparently, is simply to ask
people to keep this in perspective.  Cats kill lots of birds and small
mammals, but every study we have in this country that I've seen, it
turns out that those birds and mammals are overwhelmingly common species
that are abundant and in no danger whatsoever."

Thank you Veer for posting this report  and to all the contributers with their 
comments today.   I was just going to do the safe thing and watch the fireworks 
from the sideline but what the heck, I've got 2 cents worth. Kevin is exactly 
right..he should have some recourse for dealing with feral and house pets 
invading his property. I believe Fish and Wildlife allows for the elimination of 
nuisance wildlife (bears, turkeys, deer etc,) that continually damage a farmers 
crops. Pet owners have to choose wether their cat is 'wildlife' or house pet, 
they don't get to have it both ways. As wildlife when those pets don't come home 
because they've been eliminated while being part of the natural wildlife order 
(by whatever or whoever) then those pet owners should accept and understand that 

I've come to have an understanding with mice. They get all of the outdoors and 
my barn. If they come in the house depending on what kind of mood I'm in, they 
may be trapped in a 'havaheart' cage and transported miles away or they may be 
stuck in 'glue traps' and then drown. With cats (and I've only seen 2 in 10 
years on my 13 acres) we go to war. I will run them down on foot, picking up 
rocks and throwing the whole time.

But I do take some issue with the above statement. I don't care that there may 
not be a study showing some of our common species in decline and in danger 
because of cat predation. It's almost like saying, keeping things in 
perspective: there are 7 billion common humans, they are abundant and in no 
danger whatsoever if a million or 2 million of them die from a cause that could 
have been prevented. I do not mean to compare humans to birds or any other 
species... just that... because something is not in danger of extinction doesn't 
mean we shouldn't control the 'invasive' species that is preying on it.

oh well. sigh,
Tom Berriman