Most of the nursing students, and I had also a dietitian are taking online classes with very limited support from their schools. Since they work with us and serve our patients I don't see any reason to refer them to their schools. Vislava T. Tylman, MLS Goldblatt Medical Library Cleveland Clinic Florida -----Original Message----- From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Susan Shelly Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 5:02 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Positive indication - learning to fish? I, too, assist nurse-employee students in their literature searches, obtain articles for them, and do 1:1 tutorials. I consider it a great step to building a relationship with individuals and departments, and (I hope!) improving some aspect of patient care. That said, I also emphasize that they should first go to their school library and librarian for help. I think schools have a moral and ethical first-line obligation to support these students. After all, the students are paying Big Bucks for their education and library services. Student-employees at for-profit schools tell me they do not have the kind of library services they need to be able to use databases, search, and obtain resources. I wonder if some of these schools feel they can "dump" these educational responsibilities on hospital librarians. Frustrating; but the joy is, I get to work with highly motivated nurses! Sue Shelly Librarian, John C. Lincoln Health Network Phoenix, AZ 602.870.6328 -----Original Message----- From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Weiss, Ardis Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:03 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Positive indication - learning to fish? I certainly agree that tutorials in searching should be offered to those who are interested in learning basic as well as more advanced techniques. And if you are part of an academic health center, teaching search skills is part of the job description, I'd suppose. But in a community hospital or other stand-alone or smaller institute, I consider our library to be the same as any other special library, and I'm there to help my patrons find the information they need in order to do their job better and more efficiently. I wouldn't have expected my users to do their own research when I was a pharmaceutical librarian in a J&J subsidiary (although of course some did), and I don't expect my physician and hospital staff to do their own research either (although again, many are adept and prefer to do their own when they have the time.) Ardis Weiss San Antonio Community Hospital ________________________________ From: Medical Libraries Discussion List on behalf of Deane, Paul Sent: Thu 2/7/2013 9:10 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Positive indication - learning to fish? (:) Just wondering. Would we expect our physician or accountant or minister to teach us to fish? Thanks, Paul Deane Alexian Brothers Medical Library 800 Biesterfield Rd. Elk Grove Village, IL 60007 [log in to unmask] I think this goes to the old adage of teaching a person to fish rather than handing that fish over and sating their hunger for one day rather than giving them the tools that last a lifetime. I would much rather provide the tools and help the student hone them. Just my two cents' worth. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any accompanying data or files is confidential and may contain privileged information intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that the dissemination, distribution, and or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender at the email address above, delete this email from your computer, and destroy any copies in any form immediately. Receipt by anyone other than the named recipient(s) is not a waiver of any attorney-client, work product, or other applicable privilege. =================================== Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Cleveland Clinic is ranked one of the top hospitals in America by U.S.News & World Report (2012). Visit us online at http://www.clevelandclinic.org for a complete listing of our services, staff and locations. Confidentiality Note: This message is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. Thank you.