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That's a great observation, Caleb! Even when we are supposedly "always connected" there are times when offline functionality is still beneficial.

In my recent Chromebook explorations I have come to the conclusion that like the iPad (lack of Flash) and Ubuntu platform ("everything's just different" and I can't install my favorite Windows games) there are some tradeoffs we must accept: Thus far no Java (Wordle and screencasting are out) and no Google Earth (OUCH!) are on my list... the jury is still out on audio recording with external microphones.

To be continued...

Eric Hall
Technology Integration Specialist
Mount Mansfield Union High School
Chittenden East SU


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Caleb Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Just a follow up note. 

We met to narrow down our usage needs. What came out was the absolute need to have any device be able to work offline with Putney's GAFE, so there's no issues for those students with limited or no online access. This is important to the board and principal. iPads are not  doing Google Drive offline last time I checked, so it looks like CB's for this pilot. They can work completely offline, and they sych when in a wireless zone again. Drive could do this on a PC or Mac, but not for under $300 we think. 


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Caleb Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
This is a very helpful thread, thanks. 

Further questions
  1. Anyone know the process and cost for sending in Chromebooks for repair (Repair and shipping)? I assume most SW issues can be dwelt with by wiping the machine while the student has a loaner. 
  2. We'd rather not limit, lock down or filter when students are off campus. Does anyone have a good AUP that addresses the issues of open access at home so the school is protected?
  3. Anyone ever used Chromeboosk admin software? Seems very low maintenance and effective. 


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Caleb Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
that's very well put Bjorn. I've heard iPads are easy to deploy 1:1 if you put updating apps and OSes to each user (Parent/student/family) and simply supply numbers to them for them to install APPs you buy. 


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Bjorn Behrendt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
If it is still a glass screen stay I would stay away from the 3gopc.  

Chromebooks:
- Built specifically to me network deployments:  Very easy to mange.
- Great Collaboration: Works well with Google Apps
- Full laptop formfactor
- Chrome Web Store = Apps found here can be run on ChromeOS, Mac, or PC

iPad
- Built for personal use: Central management issues
- Portable
- App store = Apps are only available on the device
- A lot of PD around how it can be adapted to be used in education.


Both have value.   My ideal device configuration would be:  1:1 with Chromebooks, wired lab of Macs, and a mobile lab of iPads.    I actually like Android tablets better than the iPads but there is so much information around using iPads specifically that it would be very hard to implement.





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On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:37 PM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Caleb,

I like your thoughts on this.   Upper and lower.   We are looking at the new PC 2 G0 http://www.2gopc.com/2gopc-products/2go-convertible-classmate-pc-nl3-netbook/.  I always worry that upper grades will consider the Chromebooks limited and Google still has a long way to go on their Googles App's quality control.  That being said Chromebooks have a place in our community.  Does SBAC play any role in the decision?  Love to know the decision.
J




On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Caleb Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I've got a side gig once a week helping a local middle school. They want to pilot a 1:1 program with 15 8th graders in the fall. Eventually it will be at least 6, 7, 8th grades. 

I'm looking for any thoughts on iPads vs Chromebooks. 

The school uses Google for it's LMS and two Macbook carts  and two iPad carts now for students. Teachers have Macbooks, Elmos, some Starboards. IT is the science teacher, and I do 4 hours a week for Tech Integration. We are funding the pilot, not the parents. 

Our current hypothesis is that younger kids are good with the iPad carts. They are tactile,  and below the 6th grade, perhaps 1:1s are not as needed. In the 6-8th grades though, we think it might be good to move to a full keyboard laptop, but a rugged one that we can lock down to focus on our Google Apps, making it a school computer. We don't have money for Airbooks, and we don't want PCs due to the increased IT load and cost for the the small school. 

Chromebooks: We like Chromebooks and have tested them. They seem to have low IT load, easy wireless admin, and be a great school computer. We are looking at their  Java issues. (We are interested in the Lenovo Education Chromebook too, any users our there?). We'd keep the iPads for the tactical younger kids below 6th grade, and the Macbooks for media editing. 

iPads: We are a mostly Mac school, and iPads are getting better with Google Drive. We've heard from other schools that the IT load can be low if you let the parents and kids keep them updated. We've talked to some schools who simply put software serial numbers in emails or mailboxes and have the kids/parents download Apps. We use Configurator now, and it sucks, but it's faster then tweaking 20 iPads on a single USB with only iTunes. 

Thoughts oh wise list?

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Caleb Clark
Director: Educational technology program. Marlboro College Graduate School.
Masters degree. Certificate. ETS endorsement. Single classes. Workshops.
Contact: [log in to unmask] | 802-258-9207




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Caleb Clark
Director: Educational technology program. Marlboro College Graduate School.
Masters degree. Certificate. ETS endorsement. Single classes. Workshops.
Contact: [log in to unmask] | 802-258-9207




--
Caleb Clark
Director: Educational technology program. Marlboro College Graduate School.
Masters degree. Certificate. ETS endorsement. Single classes. Workshops.
Contact: [log in to unmask] | 802-258-9207



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