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Hi, I have been attending conferences since 1974... AIUM, WFUM, SDMS, RSNA early on that is all we had and I was fortunate to receive awards and publish13 scientific papers,,, mostly AIUM , SDMS and RSNA. I should go for number 14,,, maybe the 13 is unlucky!!! It is on my bucket list. Some years I had to stay home and find other ways to meet my CME's. Thank you GE site and Davies Publishing.
 Granted while I was at Yale we were sent by a grant and Ken Taylor felt it very important for technologist to publish..Dr. Fogarty also the same, felt it important for us to publish and present,, with it comes a sponsored trip.  Education has fallen by the wayside in the minds of department administrators whom admittedly go to several national conferences,,,"for the benefit of the dept".. we need to get the entire staff to national or regional conferences. Department heads would benefit by sending another staff member in their place and reporting back.  It was always expected with our jobs,, benefited one national conference per year. I would encourage all to incorporate it into our jobs.
I am a consultant without benefits and currently pay my own way.   Las Vegas is not far away for me and the airfare is about as much as a taxi ride in NYC..challenging times,, to get to one conference a year. I am looking for alternatives. I have a friend in Las Vegas I could stay with..
 SDMS in Vegas and without SDMS our RVT, RDMS, RCDMS and on and on... would not mean much without SDMS and AIUM. Variety is the spice of life,, get out there and connect with others.
Thank you for this forum and thank you Joan Baker for your contributions. Denise Levy RVT, RDMS, RDCS,,, former ARRT
 

 
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On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Joan P Baker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

This is an accurate description of the way it is Paul, I have been on this side of running or trying to run meetings for national organizations (AIUM 1974 Seattle) etc and if you do it once you want to do it again because you learn so much the hard way the first time you feel how much better it would be the next time.

 

There is just one part missing from your description and that is the exhibitors. Without them there would be no meeting, but you would not know that by the way they are treated. I never thought of them the right way until I was one of them. Believe me you have no idea what it takes to exhibit at one of your orgs meetings. First of all you pick cities that attract participants to come to, often these are the worst cities for exhibitors. Some of the reasons 1) cost of hotel, 2) Union labor requiring you to use them to open your crates and deliver them to your booth (a $1000 to move one crate on wheels from an elevator to a spot on the exhibit floor in typical.)  Storage fees for your crates from when they arrive at the city to when they move them to the venue for the meeting. Including of course the cost of moving them etc etc. Meeting/exhibits close  late on Saturday requiring Sunday take down and very high labor rates. 3) attractive  place for participants to go such as River Walk in San Antonio, exhibitors see little of participants as they are lured away. Also golf resorts attendees go for 4 hour games. Exhibit hours are so grueling that companies have to send more staff to cover the booth in shifts. (RSNA is the worst). As a very small company with an 8 by 10 booth SVS’s recent meeting on the west coast (the same coast as our company) cost our company approx $12,000 to exhibit for 2 ½ days, with a very small vascular technology attendance and a lot of sales to make a ROI. I am not complaining I just want the technology organizers to see the other point of view, and appreciate that sponsorships and registration fees are all adding to the costs with little way of proving a ROI that is attractive. The SVS meeting they would not even give a program or a lanyard to the exhibitors having charged them an arm and leg to be there. We also were not permitted to eat the food in the exhibit area provided to attendees. These types of decisions make it difficult for companies to justify supporting the field in this way. There has to be give and take. SDMS does more for exhibitors than anyone, at least we get  a massage booth! They have breaks during the sessions when few come to the exhibit hall, Board members always come down and thank exhibitors for their support. These small things mean a lot you have no idea.

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My first response to this thread was hurried because my wife couldn't understand what was so important that was taking so long to type a response on the internet.  LOL  Now that I'm on vacation in Galveston I have the time to respond while my three grandkids are arguing over the toys scattered all over the floor.

As I am sure you are all aware, continuing education providers who strive to maintain their accreditation status must comply with several things, one of which is that you must be responsive to the needs of your attendees.  This is the reason for the after-conference survey forms asking for suggestions for upcoming topics.  Most organizations have an "other comment" area as well.  It is in this area that people indicate their interest in having the conferences held in "fun and entertaining" venues.  The challenge for the organization is to comply with all of these requests to ensure that there is enough attendance to cover all of the costs (hotel requirements, meeting room costs, honorariums, etc.) and hopefully to come out a bit ahead to cover the administrative costs of running the organization.  I most recently served as the technical program director for the annual spring meeting of the Southwest Chapter of the Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging.  I worked very closely with the physician member who served as the medical program director and the executive director.  While doing so I was privy to the data regarding past meetings and the concerns for future meetings.  It is critical balance to ensure that the educational content, the meeting site (the entertainment value), and the hotel choice all balance to ensure that the expenses are met, the hotel requirements are fulfilled, and a bit of profit is made to apply to the next meeting.  This meeting only had two tracks, one for technologists and one for physicians.  Also this organization is a regional five state organization.  The complexities that the SDMS faces being a national meeting producing five separate tracks every year for the annual meeting must be rather daunting for the organizers.  Again, I think, and it is only IMHO, that they do a stellar job.

I have also attended a couple of SVU annual meetings, one AIUM annual meeting, and one SNM annual meeting.  I maintain memberships in all of these organizations as well as the American Society of Nuclear Cardiology which I have never attended a meeting.  The annual dues for all of these organizations are well over $100 a year each but I maintain them for the myriad of reasons anyone supports their professional organizations,  SDMS, again IMHO, offers one of the best cost per CME awarded ratios of any of these organizations.  But I do agree with my fellow flownetters that we as professionals and paying members and/or attendees should continue to hold these organizations' feet to the fire to continue offering top notch, prevalent, and engagingly pertinent educational content.

Paul English RT(N), CNMT, RDMS, RVT

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly <[log in to unmask]>
To: UVMFLOWNET <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:25 am
Subject: Re: SDMS

If your focus is single modality, then SDMS is probably not your forte. If you require education in multiple modalities this is probably the most varied bang for your buck. I agree that some things could be consolidated but I truly feel that SDMS has the sonographersPaul  best interests at heart. 

 

If you don't feel it's educational for you, that's a personal choice. You can choose not to go. 

 

I'd be interested in a follow up as to your phone call since you chose to publish your "non judgmental" observation. 

 

Kelly abcdefghijklmnop 

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On Jun 18, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Doug Marcum <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Lol :).  Thanks Jason ;)

Doug Marcum

RDMS,RDCS,RVT(APS),RPhS

Advanced Ultrasound Consultants

Global Vein Solutions

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On Jun 18, 2013, at 11:47 AM, vasc1 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Doug you really do make several great points.

Education first. :)  Where is the fun in that..

 

 

 

 

Dr Jason Roberts

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-------- Original message --------
From: Doug Marcum <[log in to unmask]>
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I humbly and completely disagree. I have been a part of these meetings as well.  If you are going to charge a premium, offer a premium product.  You can't offer a national meeting and thinning out the curriculum with the assumption that everyone wants "entertainment". The primary purpose of these meetings are education first.  If someone wants entertainment, then that's a premium to pay to miss lectures. I'm not sure what your point was about "strict rules of length of each lecture" as that's always a given.  If the budget is so tight, as much as many like Vegas, maybe it should be at a less expensive venue. Then maybe more speakers could be afforded.  

 

D

Doug Marcum

RDMS,RDCS,RVT(APS),RPhS

Advanced Ultrasound Consultants

Global Vein Solutions

321-231-2191

On-site phlebology ultrasound training, staffing, and practice consulting 


On Jun 18, 2013, at 11:05 AM, unclepauly28 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I have been to several SDMS annual meetings over the years as well as SVU, AIUM, and SNM.  I have also settled as program director for CME activities for these various organizations and have been solely responsible for putting together lectures for independent organizations requesting CME approval from these and other providers.  There are relatively strict rules for the length of each lecture in order to award credits. As had been observed these providers are under more stringent budgetary constraints more than ever before.  Hotels and convention facilities are charging more to use their spaces. Also today's meeting attendees demand more "entertainment" activities apart from the meeting itself to justify their personal cost of airfare, hotels, used PTO time, etc. 

 

I've always personally found the SDMS meeting to be a good educational value as well as excellent content. Just the fact that they have five separate tracks to meet the needs of a wide range of sonographers' practice needs is evidence of their response to their meeting attendees' interests. I would love to go this year but the SDMS meeting now coincides with my current anniversary.

 

 

 

 

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Nancy Hohn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I attended the SDMS conference once in Vegas and it was 45 min of lecture with 2 hrs of breaks.  The whole thing could have been put into 1-2 days.  I’m sure the casino benefited though. 

 

Have a great day!

Nancy Hohn, BS, RVT, RDCS

Cardiovascular Sonographer

Nebraska Heart Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Doug Marcum
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:57 AM
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Subject: SDMS

 

Good Morning All,

Just a humble observation....In years past, I always looked forward to receiving the SDMS annual conference program in the mail.  I was surprised this week when I received it. I remember the program being 15-20 pages of information and choices of lecture disciplines that filled the day... Multiple AM and PM choices...I find myself looking at a NINE page program with not a lot in it.  I'm honestly disappointed more than anything.. On Friday, the first day of the conference there are only 3 lectures per "track" the entire day?!  And on three of the four tracks (abdominal, Cardiac, and OB/Gyn, the same speaker is presenting 2 of the 3 talks. I'm not judging, but for national meetings, I find it more appealing to hear a broad range of speakers to hear different perspectives, delivery, etc.  what's happening here?  Are there budget cuts?  I will call the SDMS myself but was wondering if anyone else noticed this.  I'm not sure I'm getting my money's worth to fly to Vegas for this. 

 

D

Doug Marcum

RDMS,RDCS,RVT(APS),RPhS

Advanced Ultrasound Consultants

Global Vein Solutions

321-231-2191

On-site phlebology ultrasound training, staffing, and practice consulting 

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