The only "conspiracist ravings" here are those who like to label 
everything they don't understand or agree with, as "conspiracy ravings".

Funny, we'd all probably end up in the same demonstrations and take 
the same political stances on most global issues. ... and maybe even 
like each other when we meet.

But to dismiss out of hand the things that at least some of us find 
to be important and, yes, credible, and to assign labels to them -- 
the better to NOT hear, and to trivialize those views -- is quite tragic.

I welcome the contesting of information I post. I come here, unlike 
many others who've been driven away, specifically to hear the 
socialist scientists' critiques of that information, and I often 
modify what I write based on those critiques. But the conspiracy 
mongering labels are just soooo pathetic and foolish.

I am not aware of ignoring any "posting limits". The recent posts on 
Fukushima and flu-shots seem to be well within the framework for discussion.


At 11:30 AM 10/25/2013, Carrol Cox wrote:
>Were the list more active, and were the posting limits enforced,
>Conspiracist ravings would not bulk so large. But the list has been
>relatively inactive, MC has ignored posting limits, and the archives of the
>list will now present a very strange  image of "science for the people." The
>recent huckstering  of Gary Null's dangerous nonsense was intolerable.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Science for the People Discussion List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sigrid Schmalzer
>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:38 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: West Coast Horror: Fried With Nuclear Radiation From Fukushima
>Also note that the "Yale professor" quoted with respect to #28 (the fission
>one) is emeritus professor of sociology. This is a common and very
>irritating bogus use of academic credentials to make a claim appear
>scientific. If the list-producer were responsible, he would have included
>"sociologist" along with (or instead of) "Yale." Instead, he wanted us to be
>impressed by the elite authority of "Yale" while hiding the fact that the
>quoted source has no actual claim to scientific expertise on the subject of
>Sigrid Schmalzer
>Associate Professor, History Department
>Director, Social Thought & Political Economy Program UMass Amherst On
>10/25/2013 3:54 AM, Steve Nadel wrote:
>         Trying to separate out what is scare mongering and what has any
>validity in such a list is itself a herculean effort.
>         However, I think it is important  for people to read the attached
>article describing the working conditions and organization of the Tepco
>effort, which exposes the very real dangers of relying on such a corrupt
>corporate/mafioso (in the literal sense unfortunately, see article) state
>system as in Japan to manage such a disaster.
>         On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Michael H Goldhaber <[log in to unmask]>
>                 As a west coast resident, I consider this to be
>irresponsible  scare mongering. On what basis, Mitchell, do you conclude
>that "if all of the below is true -- and it well may be --"?
>                 The author, a lawyer with no particular scientific training,
>lumps completely inconsistent claims together with reports that quite likely
>have nothing whatever to do with radiation, such as the remarks about
>various animals, or barren beaches. All sorts of animals, such as moose, not
>found near the Pacific, have undergone severe problems in recent years,
>problems that often antedate Fukushima, and , if linked to any global event,
>are far more likely a consequence of global warming.
>                 Putting forth such ill-analyzed scare articles is no public
>service but rather the opposite. It blinds people to real problems and has
>them take possibly dangerous  and certainly unnecessary actions to ward off
>what well may be no danger. A similar irresponsible claim is the one you
>made recently with regard to flu vaccine. Flu kills many people every year
>and flu vaccine often offers protection, if not certain immunity. Those who
>listen to you may die as a result. Please consider that.
>                 Best,
>                 Michael
>                 On Oct 24, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Mitchel Cohen
><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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