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I am a relative newcomer to this list. I delete a fair amount without opening it, often because I have come to understand that the sender rarely says anything I want to know. I often do this with Mitchell's posts. Why? Because what I see in them usually is a mountain of poorly integrated facts and reports that he does not sift through. Good writing in a list serve like this consists of starting with what the point of the posting is. What will I learn by reading the posting? What challenge will it make to what I think I know? And then whatever evidence is produced is organized so as to bear on this--along with a statement of its limitations. Occasionally Mitchell does this, but far too often he does not. As to the argument between Herb and Thomas: It assumes a lot of prior knowledge about SftP that I am probably others do not have. best sam -----Original Message----- From: Mitchel Cohen <[log in to unmask]> To: SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sat, Oct 26, 2013 12:15 am Subject: Another letter with regard to this list's discussions From: LEL <[log in to unmask]> Id like to jump in for a moment here and say that we should all begrateful for those who report what facts they can find ---and if they tryto connect some dots but arent always right on the money we should still be grateful we had the information so we can connect thedots another way ( global warming for instance) The problem would be if we let phrases like "fearmongering" keep us from learning that there is an increase ofanimals with problems and fish with problems in these areas. Muchnecessary information is suppressed in every community across ournation with the simple phrase "fear mongering" --and that alone was a red flag when I read this --but the biggest red flagfor me here was the comment about the flu vaccines. In factit is fear mongering that drives people to get vaccines every year indroves I have concluded from the research I have done. I invite youto do your own . Amazingly, when I was researching West Nile incidents vscancer & other detriments from pesticides, I was led to inquireabout a comparison of the number of deaths from flu vs the numberof deaths from flu vaccine. I would dare any one of you to find mea site with an accurate analysis of complications and deaths from fluvaccines. It was amazing . I even implored this group to try tofind me the scientific data on it . Despite the millions thatget flu vaccines every year they do not publish the information toreally show what your risks are from the vaccine itself . Likefluoride and pesticides for West Nile we are told the chemicals/vaccines save lives or guard against illness/disease. But if youdont know the real results from the cure itself, it would be hard foryou to concur. The people telling you about it have a dog in thefight - a money making one ! So lets not kill the messenger lets be grateful for whatever wecan get to help us be aware . Especially from those not being funded toput out a corporate perspective . And email me if you find the flustats --- Im still hunting Lora http://www.MitchelCohen.com Newest posts: - Remembering Che Guevara on this 46th anniversary of his assassination(Oct. 9, 1967) - Bill De Blasio and Nicaragua -- a refutation of the corporatemedia - New Petition to Free Lynne Stewart - "I ain't gonna fight Obama's wars no more" (song) - "Lawrence Summers to head the Fed? You've got to be kidding!"Check it out. http://www.lulu.com/shop/mitchel-cohen/what-is-direct-action/paperback/product-20937425.html Mitchel Cohen's book, "What Is Direct Action? Lessons from (andto) Occupy Wall Street" (foreword by Richard Wolff) (596 pages). Getit now! Ring the bells that still can ring, Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack in everything, That's how the light getsin. ~ Leonard Cohen