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Note to self. Never borrow ski poles from Ranger Renson.

- Patrick


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Mark P. Renson <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> I am annoyed that after years of supporting women in sports - including
> providing a little financial support to a female going to the 2014 Sochi
> Olympics - that certain people even obliquely infer that I'm sexist and
> demeaning towards females.  Yeah, including a certain person who has a
> history of making snide snotty demeaning remarks about certain groups of
> people  - yeah, some "tolerance", huh?
> Who givzashit what this female looks like - she skis exceptionally well
> and did very well in the class, probably greatly exceeding what most of you
> guys can do.  She doesn't ski in the backseat with her hands behind her
> back so that from a side view she looks like she's scratching her rectum
> simultaneously with both pole handles nor does she think she's an expert on
> avalanche safety because he knows the godmother of the son of some sister's
> cousin's doctor who gave a prostate cancer test once years ago to someone
> who got nailed in an avalanche (gee, I just described at least half the
> people on this list).  Oh, and for the complex rescue scenario we had, we
> selected another female who I was raving about because she was doing
> exceptionally well with enthusiasm and I gave her other extra opportunities
> because of that.
> I guess I should write my TRs in some dorky bland travelogue format.
>
> Mark P. Renson
>
>
>   On Friday, February 7, 2014 7:28 AM, Justin Woods <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  This is an interesting thread, for a number of reasons.
>
> >On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Miguel Naughton <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Actually, my interpretation of "Smuggs hot-shot patrollerette Danielle"
> is
> >> that she is both a great skier AND nice looking.  True or false?  Would
> it
> >> be sexist to note that a skier is attractive?
> >>
> >
> >I like this, Miguel. And I'm quite sure that's what Ranger Renson was
> >describing with the use of "ette" - "attractive"....
>
> This is funny and (maybe) flattering, but also risks sexism, or at least
> is objectification which is a kissing-cousin.  I'm not saying that I don't
> objectify or enjoy the <ahem> the aesthetic qualities of attractive women,
> or that when an attractive woman rips on skis that it's all the more
> attractive (to me, and others on this mostly male-infused list).
>
> That said, the diminuitve suffix "-ette" could certainly be seen as
> condescending or pejorative, though its definition includes the following:
> "Used to form nouns meaning the female equivalent of... [e.g.] majorette,
> bachelorette" ... or Smurfette, for that matter.  If that's the case, then
> the language itself is sexist -- and I'm sure one could make a case for
> that.  (That the gender-neutral plural pronoun in most languages defaults
> to the masculine is a case in point.)
>
> But I think that the moral charge and the moral implication has to take
> into account intent -- and it seems that the good Ranger -- in all of his
> hemming and hawing -- intended the signifyer as a compliment.  And for
> better or worse, in this day and age, it all depends on how the
> "compliment" was received, at least in legal terms.  In other words, if he
> meant it as a compliment, and she took it as one, then it's a compliment.
> If she's offended, then Mahk has to go through Jimmy's Sensitivity Training
> Regimen.
>
> >However I also sense a deeper conflict between Mark & Marc than what
> exists
> >in this thread....
> >
>
> Yes, maybe they can have a triathlon competition at the next Partee
> (should it materialize): chug a craft-brew, opine on its qualities, and ski
> an ice-bump run.
>
>
> --justin
>
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