That's a 60's thing.

On April 29, 2014 2:28:53 PM EDT, Geoffrey Duke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Is "cloud signing" like sky writing?  :-P

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Ah. I think the concern in that case stemmed from someone's use of a
"cloud signing service" and the potential to disclose sensitive
documents to that service during the signature process. Maybe.


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On 20140429, 12:25 , Lynda Howell wrote:
Maybe I misunderstood. It was in the context of digitally signing
documents, so it's possible that the point was just that we shouldn't
consider it a "digital signature", but I came away with the impression
that it was being frowned on as making it easy to forge the signature in
the future. But I probably misunderstood.


On 4/29/2014 10:52 AM, Sam Hooker wrote:
On 20140423, 15:59 , Lynda Howell wrote:
I remember some ISO presentation (at last year's EDU@uvm, perhaps?)
where they talked about people who scanned their signature to an image
file and used it to sign documents, and it was very much something
were telling us not to do. I assume the issue was that anyone can
the image and paste it into any other document. But presumably anyone
can copy a sign! ature image from the printed-out-and-scanned document
paste that into another document too.
Really? That seems...unlike something we would say (especially given
decidedly-indecorous and involuntary swearing under my breath every
someone hands me a piece of paper). Is there some context?



Sam Hooker | [log in to unmask]
Information Security Engineer
Enterprise Technology Services
The University of Vermont

On 4/23/2014 2:12 PM, Wesley A. Wright wrote:
Let's take a step back. In the age of the purchase card, why are you
asking for cash (paper) ?

Baby step forward. MacOs has a built-on app called Preview that
you to use laptop camera to scan you signature and attach it to aa
PDF, and fill in the PDF form, too. You can then complete your part
the form, email results to supervisor to do same, and forward final
version to accounting, thus at least eliminating the paper bit.

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On Apr 23, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Geoffrey Duke <[log in to unmask]
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I don't know why the current situation exists, and I don't mean to
offend anyone involved in the support of this process, *but.*

I'm going on a business trip in a couple weeks, and I've requested a
cash advance. In order to complete this request, my supervisor needs
to approve this request. I have received an email with a PDF
attachment that I need to print out, get my supervisor to sign, then
scan that into a PDF and email it back.

Why is the current process not using our $38M ERP system? It's been
while since I went through this process, but I seem to recall using
PeopleSoft to! make this kind of request in the past.

Somehow, this feels dirtier to me than if we were really using the
paper. I'm having to print something out just to turn around and
discard it? This is so wasteful of both time, energy, and resources.

How much does a business workflow cost that depends on every
unit having to print/sign/scan send all financial documents? Please,
somebody tell me that there's a plan to change this.

And what does printing/scanning ensure? It's much easier for me to
forge my supervisor's signature on a paper document than it would be
to fake an electronic approval, either by an email message or a
PeopleSoft transaction (i.e., click "approve"). And there are audit
trails for those options.

Is it just me or is this business process really as absurd as it


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