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Geez, I'm sorry I asked!  A couple of kind people (who shall remain
nameless to protect them...!) sent me fewer than six citations, all of
which I had already found in Medline.   I AM a paying customer of that
vendor, and they get many dollars from me, we just don't have that
particular database.  If such a modest request violates licensing, then
it's way past time for me to get the he77 out of this job.  To spend ten
minutes and send someone a handful of just references... that's a
violation?  We might as well all hang up our hats and let them sell their
bloody stuff straight to the end users. I'm sick to death of being caught
in the middle.

Very very grumpily,



On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Blodgett, Gini <[log in to unmask]>
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> How about we let the lawyers handle this question? Not up to us to
> interpret the licenses without a J.D. after our names.
>
> Speaking for myself, not my company.
>
> Gini Blodgett Birchett, MSLS
> Librarian / Lead information resources specialist
> Evidence-Based Resources Department
> American Physical Therapy Association
> 1111 N. Fairfax St.
> Alexandria, VA 22314
> 703.706.8534 (direct)
> 800.999.2782, x8534 (tollfree)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Carol Lefebvre
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 3:27 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: need quick SportDiscus search? - is this within the terms of
> the licensing agreement?
>
> Hi Todd et al
>
> As you say " Most of our licenses do allow for the non-commercial sharing
> of portions of the resource for the purposes of scholarship and research."
> - but surely the key to it is that it is for the non-commercial sharing of
> portions of the resource for the purposes of scholarship and research
> within your own organizations, for which the product was purchased /
> licensed.
>
> You clarify this in your quote from the EBSCO T&Cs which stipulate " for
> internal or personal use".
>
> All the best
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Lefebvre
>
> Independent Information Consultant, Lefebvre Associates Ltd, Oxford, UK
>
> Co-Convenor, Cochrane Information Retrieval Methods Group
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Puccio [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 14 August 2014 20:09
> To: Carol Lefebvre; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: need quick SportDiscus search? - is this within the terms of
> the licensing agreement?
>
> Hi All,
>
> Usually, license restrictions revolved around providing "access" to
> database and electronic resources.
> In general, this would mean that it is not permitted to provide live
> searching access to an unauthorized user.
>
> For this request, and the previous EMBASE request, it was asked that an
> authorized user do a very  specific and limited search and then share the
> results.
>
> Most of our licenses to allow for the non-commercial sharing of portions
> of the resource for the purposes of scholarship and research.
> Doing a mediated search and sharing the citation results free of charge
> for the purpose of research and scholarship is exactly this.
> As long as it is not a regular and frequent relationship, I doubt it is a
> violation of most of the licensing agreements.
>
> Notice I am talking about citations, not the Full-Text article results.
>  These would most likely have to be shared only through ILL, if at all.
>
> ** That being said : ***
>
> The posted _Terms of Use_ in EBSCOHOST does say this :
> " Licensee and Authorized Users may create printouts of materials
> retrieved through the Databases or Services online printing, offline
> printing, facsimile or electronic mail. All reproduction and distribution
> of such printouts, and all downloading and electronic storage of materials
> retrieved through the Databases or Services shall be for internal or
> personal use. "
>
> Which means that, unless your institution has a different license
> agreement, you would _not_ be allowed to share the results of a search
> outside of your organization.
>
> Food for thought.
>
>
> --
> Todd Puccio
> Director of Technical Services / Librarian Nova Southeastern University
> Health Professions Division Library
> 3200 S. University Drive
> Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33328
> (954)262-3114 or ext 2-3114
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Carol Lefebvre
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 2:08 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: need quick SportDiscus search? - is this within the terms of
> the licensing agreement?
>
> Dear All
>
> I hate to sound like the copyright / licensing police here - and more for
> even-handedness as I raised this issue with an Elsevier database last week
> (Embase) and do not wish to be thought to be showing any favouritism - is
> it within the terms of the licensing agreement to conduct searches for
> librarians in other organizations who have not taken out their own
> subscription?
>
> SPORTDiscus is an EBSCO product, to which I do not have access, but I
> would be amazed if this were to be permitted under the terms of the licence.
>
> With best wishes
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Lefebvre
>
> Independent Information Consultant, Lefebvre Associates Ltd, Oxford, UK
>
> Co-Convenor, Cochrane Information Retrieval Methods Group
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Julie Stielstra
> Sent: 14 August 2014 17:18
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: REF: need quick SportDiscus search?
>
> Anyone with access to this database who could do a quick search for me?
> Sports med doc seeking info on anterior-approach hip replacement specific
> to sports / athletic recovery.  Have searched Medline and gotten info on
> various other treatment outcome measures, ADLs (and not much on that,
> actually), but almost nothing from the sports angle... my impression is
> that this info is heavily anecdotal and there isn't much actual research
> out there.  But if someone could help me cover that base, I'd be very
> grateful.  Thank you!
>
> --
> Julie Stielstra, MLS
> Manager, Libraries of Cadence Health
> Central DuPage Hospital
> 25 N Winfield Rd
> Winfield, IL 60190
> phone 630-933-4536
> fax     630-933-4530
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> three vices...and I can always be hopeful of you."  -- Betsy Trotwood to
> David Copperfield (Charles Dickens)
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Julie Stielstra, MLS
Manager, Libraries of Cadence Health
Central DuPage Hospital
25 N Winfield Rd
Winfield, IL 60190
phone 630-933-4536
fax     630-933-4530
email jstielstra [ at ]  gmail.com

"Never...be mean in anything; never be false; never be cruel. Avoid those
three vices...and I can always be hopeful of you."  -- Betsy Trotwood to
David Copperfield (Charles Dickens)