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Thanks, Adam! I will be saving this one for strategic use when next the
"real world" conversation arises... enjoy the turkey, tofurkey, brisket,
prime rib or whatever is set before you to savor.


*Eric Hall*
*Technology Integration Specialist*
*Mount Mansfield Union High School*
*Chittenden East SU*

*No trees were injured in the creation of this message, but a significant
number of electrons were inconvenienced.*

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Adam Provost <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> So...
>
> Now that Office is free for education...
>
> That familiar old debate will likely be reconstituted about 'Office' vs
> 'Google Apps.'
>
> A few schools I've run into readily teach or promote MS Office because
> it's their belief it's 'skills students need in the real world.'
>
> Three years ago, a student I worked with asked "which software suite
> should I learn, Google Apps or MS Office? Which platform do businesses and
> colleges actually prefer you have skill in?" "Great question," I said. "Are
> you really interested in finding out?" Some of the Lab students in the room
> who were veterans started to chuckle at this point. "Yes," the student
> replied. "Ok. Down the rabbit hole then. How do we do that?"
>
> I worked with the student to build a project putting that question to the
> test. They interviewed 49 businesses across multiple disciplines, ie
> banking / finance, insurance, retail / sales, restaurants, etc) about "what
> software suites and / or 'software skills' do businesses want' their
> employees to have?"
>
> 46 of 49 interviewed were not 'product specific.' The three that listed
> 'MS Office experience required' all centered around specific jobs in
> finance / accounting. All three however rated "Adept at problem solving
> using multiple software tools and operating systems" and Ability to
> function in a highly collaborative environment" higher than 'product
> specific skills'... on 49 of 49 responses.
>
> Then we contacted colleges. Of the 22 college admission departments
> contacted there was no enrollment preference or advanced consideration
> given toward students with proficiency in any particular software suite.
>
> Back to that students project... They chose to build proficiency (advanced
> knowledge) in both Google Apps and Office. I helped the student learn to
> tackle multiple challenges they faced in their classes and personal goals
> using both suites. Then I introduced them to Linux  ; )
>
> That got us into the great OS debate. Mac or PC? Linux?
>
> We then did the same research around operating systems with the same
> companies and colleges. Interesting results... if you're interested.
>
> This stuff goes in cycles in schools, right?
>
> What discussions and preferences will start up at your school again?
> Office suite specific? Single OS or platform choice? Grimly, will 'apps
> training' classes be making their way back? Or... will learning be tied
> into identifying 'right tool for the right job' via hard projects with
> difficult problems to solve?
>
> Hoping it's the latter.
>
> Then get some Linux going at school with some tough challenges to solve in
> a design lab ; )
>
> Right tool for the right job, right? Hey, who's temp sensor probe for the
> turkey is wirelessly connected to a Raspberry Pi... just because you can?
>
> WHOOHOO!
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Donahue, Brucie <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>>  We are a Office 365 campus and take advantage of as much as MS will
>> give us. We do have a MS license agreement that we pay for each year, and
>> it has given us the ability to upgrade all our computers to Win8 (over 450
>> boxes) for no additional fee. We also run all the MS office apps 2013 as
>> well as Outlook (they host our email as part of the package) There are lots
>> of other tools we use as well (hosted video, Yammer, Lync.) I believe that
>> you can run just the cloud versions of the office apps without having the
>> desktops. We are happy with Microsoft and it works well for our student,
>> teachers and admins.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Craig Donnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>   Bob - they can have the online versions for free - 5 Pro installed
>> versions per domain only.
>>
>>  You are correct - if the online Office is adequate - you won't need the
>> installed versions.  Otherwise you get 5 installed versions free.  I
>> believe the 365 Pro/Business installed does include Access.
>>
>>  Process is:
>> Go here:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office-365-plan-options.aspx
>>
>>  Get the trial account.
>> Register your google domain in the process (don't change your MX records
>> - only set up a txt file for registration/verification)
>> Then administer the users.  I'm not through this process yet...
>>
>>  Craig
>>
>>
>>  Craig Donnan, MA
>> Systems Administrator
>> Washington West Supervisory Union
>> 340 Mad River Park, Suite 7
>> Waitsfield, VT 05673
>> 802-496-2272 x120
>> fax: 802-496-6515
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Robert Wickberg <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm... Right now we license Office for all the machines in the school
>>> through a School agreement with Microsoft, and MS has told us that since we
>>> do that, we can have Office 365 for everyone for free, but we've been using
>>> Google Apps, so we don't even bother to set that up.  So now you're saying
>>> MS is offering office 365 for free, and if you do that, your users can use
>>> the local versions of Office apps, too, for free?  So we wouldn't have to
>>> license Office any more, except for people who need Access (Which is
>>> probably a half dozen users in the whole school, I could just buy open
>>> licenses for them.)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Craig Donnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is more than that - once the school is verified, the Office 365 E1
>>>> version is free to the domain.  Office E1 includes Office Online, but not
>>>> any installed apps locally.
>>>>
>>>>  Office 365 E1 plan - is free to education.   This includes the online
>>>> versions of Word, Excel, Powerpoint and more.  I am working on setting this
>>>> up for the domain.  This knowledge may affect your decisions around Office
>>>> licensing...  MS Access is not included.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office-365-plan-options.aspx
>>>>
>>>>  and
>>>>
>>>>  Office Online apps:
>>>> https://office.com/start/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>>  I contacted the sales folks at Microsoft and they will provide
>>>> instructions on registering and admin account for your domain. (Google Apps
>>>> Domain OK as far as I understand).
>>>>
>>>>  Craig
>>>>
>>>>  Craig Donnan, MA
>>>> Systems Administrator
>>>> Washington West Supervisory Union
>>>> 340 Mad River Park, Suite 7
>>>> Waitsfield, VT 05673
>>>> 802-496-2272 x120
>>>> fax: 802-496-6515
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Mike Vining <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-announces-free-office-365-education-for-students-and-faculty-in-the-us/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have setup Office 365 for your school your users can now get
>>>>> Office for up to 5 computers for free.  Adults and students can auto-enroll
>>>>> using their school email and they even show up in our O365 management
>>>>> console.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Vining, SB IT Support
>>>>> South Burlington School District
>>>>> South Burlington, Vermont 05403
>>>>> Direct: (802) 652-7298
>>>>> IT Help Desk: (802) 652-7050
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <image002.gif> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikevining>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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