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Agreed, Craig. Agreed.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Craig Donnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm wondering if the question is about what IS "real" technology education
> about: being able to punch buttons in specific apps to get what you want;
> or be able to generalize across applications and platforms to get what you
> want?
>
> I think the latter is the higher-order goal, and if that is met, then who
> cares what platform?
>
> Craig
>
> Craig Donnan, MA
> Systems Administrator
> Washington West Supervisory Union
> 340 Mad River Park, Suite 7
> Waitsfield, VT 05673
> 802-496-2272 x120
> fax: 802-496-6515
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Adam Provost <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> So...
>>
>> Now that Office is free for education...
>>
>> That familiar old debate will likely be reconstituted about 'Office' vs
>> 'Google Apps.'
>>
>> A few schools I've run into readily teach or promote MS Office because
>> it's their belief it's 'skills students need in the real world.'
>>
>> Three years ago, a student I worked with asked "which software suite
>> should I learn, Google Apps or MS Office? Which platform do businesses and
>> colleges actually prefer you have skill in?" "Great question," I said. "Are
>> you really interested in finding out?" Some of the Lab students in the room
>> who were veterans started to chuckle at this point. "Yes," the student
>> replied. "Ok. Down the rabbit hole then. How do we do that?"
>>
>> I worked with the student to build a project putting that question to the
>> test. They interviewed 49 businesses across multiple disciplines, ie
>> banking / finance, insurance, retail / sales, restaurants, etc) about "what
>> software suites and / or 'software skills' do businesses want' their
>> employees to have?"
>>
>> 46 of 49 interviewed were not 'product specific.' The three that listed
>> 'MS Office experience required' all centered around specific jobs in
>> finance / accounting. All three however rated "Adept at problem solving
>> using multiple software tools and operating systems" and Ability to
>> function in a highly collaborative environment" higher than 'product
>> specific skills'... on 49 of 49 responses.
>>
>> Then we contacted colleges. Of the 22 college admission departments
>> contacted there was no enrollment preference or advanced consideration
>> given toward students with proficiency in any particular software suite.
>>
>> Back to that students project... They chose to build proficiency
>> (advanced knowledge) in both Google Apps and Office. I helped the student
>> learn to tackle multiple challenges they faced in their classes and
>> personal goals using both suites. Then I introduced them to Linux  ; )
>>
>> That got us into the great OS debate. Mac or PC? Linux?
>>
>> We then did the same research around operating systems with the same
>> companies and colleges. Interesting results... if you're interested.
>>
>> This stuff goes in cycles in schools, right?
>>
>> What discussions and preferences will start up at your school again?
>> Office suite specific? Single OS or platform choice? Grimly, will 'apps
>> training' classes be making their way back? Or... will learning be tied
>> into identifying 'right tool for the right job' via hard projects with
>> difficult problems to solve?
>>
>> Hoping it's the latter.
>>
>> Then get some Linux going at school with some tough challenges to solve
>> in a design lab ; )
>>
>> Right tool for the right job, right? Hey, who's temp sensor probe for the
>> turkey is wirelessly connected to a Raspberry Pi... just because you can?
>>
>> WHOOHOO!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Donahue, Brucie <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  We are a Office 365 campus and take advantage of as much as MS will
>>> give us. We do have a MS license agreement that we pay for each year, and
>>> it has given us the ability to upgrade all our computers to Win8 (over 450
>>> boxes) for no additional fee. We also run all the MS office apps 2013 as
>>> well as Outlook (they host our email as part of the package) There are lots
>>> of other tools we use as well (hosted video, Yammer, Lync.) I believe that
>>> you can run just the cloud versions of the office apps without having the
>>> desktops. We are happy with Microsoft and it works well for our student,
>>> teachers and admins.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Craig Donnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Bob - they can have the online versions for free - 5 Pro installed
>>> versions per domain only.
>>>
>>>  You are correct - if the online Office is adequate - you won't need
>>> the installed versions.  Otherwise you get 5 installed versions free.  I
>>> believe the 365 Pro/Business installed does include Access.
>>>
>>>  Process is:
>>> Go here:
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office-365-plan-options.aspx
>>>
>>>  Get the trial account.
>>> Register your google domain in the process (don't change your MX records
>>> - only set up a txt file for registration/verification)
>>> Then administer the users.  I'm not through this process yet...
>>>
>>>  Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>  Craig Donnan, MA
>>> Systems Administrator
>>> Washington West Supervisory Union
>>> 340 Mad River Park, Suite 7
>>> Waitsfield, VT 05673
>>> 802-496-2272 x120
>>> fax: 802-496-6515
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Robert Wickberg <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm... Right now we license Office for all the machines in the school
>>>> through a School agreement with Microsoft, and MS has told us that since we
>>>> do that, we can have Office 365 for everyone for free, but we've been using
>>>> Google Apps, so we don't even bother to set that up.  So now you're saying
>>>> MS is offering office 365 for free, and if you do that, your users can use
>>>> the local versions of Office apps, too, for free?  So we wouldn't have to
>>>> license Office any more, except for people who need Access (Which is
>>>> probably a half dozen users in the whole school, I could just buy open
>>>> licenses for them.)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Craig Donnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is more than that - once the school is verified, the Office 365 E1
>>>>> version is free to the domain.  Office E1 includes Office Online, but not
>>>>> any installed apps locally.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Office 365 E1 plan - is free to education.   This includes the
>>>>> online versions of Word, Excel, Powerpoint and more.  I am working on
>>>>> setting this up for the domain.  This knowledge may affect your decisions
>>>>> around Office licensing...  MS Access is not included.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office-365-plan-options.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>  and
>>>>>
>>>>>  Office Online apps:
>>>>> https://office.com/start/default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>  I contacted the sales folks at Microsoft and they will provide
>>>>> instructions on registering and admin account for your domain. (Google Apps
>>>>> Domain OK as far as I understand).
>>>>>
>>>>>  Craig
>>>>>
>>>>>  Craig Donnan, MA
>>>>> Systems Administrator
>>>>> Washington West Supervisory Union
>>>>> 340 Mad River Park, Suite 7
>>>>> Waitsfield, VT 05673
>>>>> 802-496-2272 x120
>>>>> fax: 802-496-6515
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Mike Vining <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-announces-free-office-365-education-for-students-and-faculty-in-the-us/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have setup Office 365 for your school your users can now get
>>>>>> Office for up to 5 computers for free.  Adults and students can auto-enroll
>>>>>> using their school email and they even show up in our O365 management
>>>>>> console.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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