Could be wrong but as I recall it was a vendor unscrupously posing as a technologist pedaling his product. Different from a vendor educating us about some new technology or software that may improve our laboratories efficicency.

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On Oct 06, 2015, at 07:18 AM, Rick Grave <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Sorry to set you off Bill, I am also sorry I do not have proof of someone being banned but I do remember back in 2008 or 9 or maybe before that of this being the case. I may be wrong and it may have just been said in here that it happened. Only Steve Knight can say for sure.

I had no animosity toward Jeanette nor anyone else for that matter but since Phil brought it up and Terry jumped in I just wanted to add my two cents from what I had read years ago and know that advertising was not something encouraged in this list.

If I have offended others I apologize, I guess I will just remain quiet again for another 20 years or so until another post actually does set me off.

Bill I am very sorry for getting you all upset on this. I will stop now or I know I will offend or upset others.

Enjoy your list.


On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Bill Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
WARNING; An infamous Bill rant follows;

Bill Johnson, Port Townsend, WA

Ah, to set the record straight, and probably bring bricks my way, there never was a University of New Mexico listserve.  There was just a list on my personal computer of folks I knew or met online that had an interest in vascular technology.  I encouraged questions, and not being much of a guru, I posted those questions to the list. 

I suppose that constitutes a "listserve" albeit a very clumsy one.  I wish an archive existed, as our younger colleagues might be amazed what was done without the niceties of color imaging or even spectral analysis.  I suppose life was easier back then, very few numbers in the way, much more an art than a science.  Maybe we should never have considered ourselves "technologists"?  But, most everyone was struggling to improve our accuracy and provide better patient outcomes. 

I am somewhat chagrined at how few real questions came up on the Flownet, and now the SVU UConnect site. 

Rick Grave, I do not think anyone was ever banned for months, Steve might correct me here, but I do know public floggings and offline vitriol from myself and others often solved the policing problems.  If you have any evidence of "banning", I would like to read it.  I know of only one case, and that was to a person making derogatory personal remarks against another Flownetter. 

Terry, I am surprised that you, as a former SVU Board member, would criticize an employee of SVU for trying to support our professional organization.  You wrote; "The original understanding was that posts were only for educational purposes only."  But it makes me wonder what you know about the "original understanding".  I also believe learning about the impact of the new ICD10 codes IS educational.  At least for those that depend on reimbursement for their livelihood.  Presently I do not, but I still wish to learn what is happening to our profession.

Jeanette, I happen to know your post was in good faith, and you clearly declared your position as the SVU marketing director.  Much of the "original" problems with marketing on the Flownet were related to folks that did not state their affiliation with equipment or products they supported.  I also hope, regardless of the above flak, that folks still faithful to this forum realize that our Society needs our support. It was never a requirement that members of the Flownet be members of SNIVT/SVT/SVU to contribute and engage.

A few months back I thought of encouraging everyone here to migrate to the SVU forum.  I think there are still some reasons that this forum can and should exist in parallel.  I may be a perpetual optimist, but I believe it is a good thing to have a place for independent comment, good and bad.

Finally, I think Franklin West was and is a tremendous asset to not only SVU, but our profession as a whole.  Unfortunately he is now a "former" employee and, while I think that was a mistake, I know he has not turned his back on his Society or our profession.  By way of disclosure, I have known Frank since 1978, and one of the two things (if any) we agree is patient care.  The other is "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams.

"The flogging will go on until morale improves" not sure of the source, perhaps a former boss?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Franklin W. West <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Rick, Terry & Phil,


Or have we already seen?


With apologies, several months ago I provided a ‘pitch’ on UVMFLOWNET for SVU’s Coding Advisor, largely in preparation for the ICD-9 to ICD-10 transition.  The only substantive difference was that pitch included a brief description regarding how much of the same information might otherwise be accessed online (much more difficult and painful, IMHO).  Like Jeanette, I too was, at the time, an employee of SVU and, I suspect also similar to Jeanette, I was attempting to make life easier for RVTs, RVSs, RPVIs, et al. that frequent UVMFLOWNET. 


Admittedly, Jeanette does not have a clinical background but maybe her marketing background might help make this product make life easier for clinical folks??? 


Not sure about the powers that be but we might just consider the public flogging sufficient for the offense committed and let a request to not allow it to occur again be sufficient???  That’s my story and I’m sticking with it …


If anyone cares to review my crimes, they can be found in the archives (along with many others).


All the best,




PS:  I do recall some early floggings, even predating UVM (remember Univ. New Mexico’s listserve?? – and the predated version prior to that … I pray no one has copies … A fair amount of Douglas Adams, as I recall …


From: UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rick Grave
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 4:38 PM
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Subject: Re: ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software


yes that is what everyone is told. violators in the past have been banned for months at a time as well.

Guess we will see.


On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Terrence Case <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

The original understanding was that posts were only for educational purposes only. Terry Case

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On Oct 5, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Rick Grave <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Sure looks like it Phil, does that mean the rest of the programs that also help in this area can post here too?

Steve Knight whats up?



On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Phil White <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Is this advertising???  I know flo-net has been quite so I thought I would start something J




Phil White BS RVT



From: UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeanette Brown
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 9:52 AM
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Subject: ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software


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