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On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, Schneider, Joseph MD <
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> I will give you one practical concern that I have about this sort of thing
> coming from flownet. I have probably had at least 10 ICD-10 coding products
> trapped in Sendio, our SPAM corral every day for the past few months. When
> I see some offer to save me from ICD-10 or some other offer to sell me
> something about coding I typically block that address from getting to me
> (forever).  If a legitimate educational list like this one has this kind of
> mail included I may inadvertently block Flownet.  I continue to get the
> GulfCoast and Edelman ads for prep courses for PVI (even though I have the
> credential and in fact am now on the Exam Development Committee for the PVI
> credential) and I just dump them, which is easy since they are occasional.
> The recent sheer daily volume of the ICD-10 coding mail is staggering and
> that’s the problem.
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> By the way we transitioned to ICD-10 in our EMR on October 1, totally
> painless.
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> Joseph R. Schneider, M.D., Ph.D., F.A.C.S., R.V.T., R.P.V.I.
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> Vascular Surgery and Interventional Radiology Partners/VSIR
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> *From:* UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Johnson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:01 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> *Subject:* Re: ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software
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> Bill Johnson, Portland, WA
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> Rick, it is not "my list" it is hosted graciously by the University of
> Vermont.  Steve is the "major domo" and I believe he does not see it as
> "his" list either.  As for me, your apology is not and cannot be accepted.
> You wrote;"but since Phil brought it up and Terry jumped in I just wanted
> to add my two cents from what I had read years ago and know that
> advertising was not something encouraged in this list."  Yes it is true
> that blatant advertising was never "encouraged", but what was vehemently
> discouraged was, as Terry wrote; "I recall it was a vendor unscrupously
> posing as a technologist pedaling his product."  Unfortunately some vendors
> do not comply with the standards of this forum.  I suppose since no one
> ever wrote those standards down, it is our collective fault?  We culpa?  I
> would advise caution when "jumping-in" or do as I say, not as I do?
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> I think if I must wait another 20 years for you to or anyone to stir this
> pot, it and I will boil over.
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> Terry, "Different from a vendor educating us about some new technology or
> software that may improve our laboratories efficicency." (SIC) But Jeanette
> clearly indicated her affiliation and still you jumped in?
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> Bill Schroedter. sorry for calling you the "other Bill" for all these
> years.  I do think your wisdom, " Let’s just lighten up a bit." is as
> usual sound.  Me, I suppose often take things much to seriously.  But, even
> though retired, my passion for this profession has not dimmed.
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> Please, all you on this list, keep on stirring the pot.  We are
> collectively facing a crisis, as usual, not of our own making, but again as
> usual, affects our collective livelihood and our collective ability to give
> our patients our best care.
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> Nicole, I do believe this is an LOL situation, but I also think we should
> not "lighten up" even a bit.  But then again I often take myself too
> seriously.  I apologize to all, no offense ever intended, but I know
> offense may be taken.  I am ready to duck those bricks.
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> I only hope some of my words and most of my deeds give me some credence
> here.  Yes Nicole, we can move on, but without discussion, where will we go?
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> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Nicole Ball <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
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> I know Steve has been quiet on Flownet lately.  He has been busy attending
> to some personal things and am sure he is confident in our ability to work
> things out on our own.  I saw Jeanette's post as something helpful toward
> us as a profession, in addition,  I see no problem with light good natured
> banter back and forth.  Can't we just move on? lol
>
> Nicole Ball, BS, RVT
> President for NNEVS
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> http://www.svunet.org/svunet/membershipmain/chapters/affiliate/northernnewenglandvascularsociety
> Frisbie Memorial Hospital
> Vascular Lab
> Rochester, NH
> (w) 603-332-3100 ext 8127
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> From:        Bill Schroedter <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>>
> To:        [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> Date:        10/06/2015 12:34 PM
> Subject:        Re: ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software
> Sent by:        UVM Flownet <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>>
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> Hi Folks,
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> I’m with Phil.  Let’s just lighten up a bit.  Personally, I have no
> problem with a bit of tasteful marketing, related products, educational
> products and / or opportunities, review meetings, etc.  Every computer has
> a  delete key.  As long as things are honestly represented, I do not feel
> such posts are out of line whatsoever.  If something is out of line,
> members can complain and I have every confidence that not only does Steve
> have nothing else to do but spend hours policing UVMFlownet post, his
> impeccable judgment will remedy any posts that cross the line.   ;-)
>  Although Hockey season is upon us……. He could be distracted…….
>
> Bill
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> William B Schroedter, BS, RVT, RPhS, FSVU
> Quality Vascular Imaging, Inc
> Venice, Florida
> (941) 408-8855
> www.qualityvascular.com
> www.compressionsocks.pro
> www.virtualveincenter.com
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> *From:* UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On Behalf Of *Phil
> White
> * Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:31 AM
> * To:* [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> * Subject:* Re: ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software
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> Hi All,
> Thanks for making my dreams come true… pot stirrer!  All tongue in cheek,
> and no one should be offended because we do have free speech in this
> country at least for a little while longer.   I think my point was to
> recognize that industry vendors sometimes are the best resource of
> information on a certain subjects and perhaps ICD-10 is one of them.
> I was one of those technologist that walked through the exhibit hall
> hoping none of the vendors would make eye contact so I would not have to
> listen to their sales pitch, but now I am one of those vendors pitching
> like Nolan Ryan.   All of the vendors at your local or national trade shows
> have spent money to be there with the hopes that we can get you to listen
> about a system or device that we feel will benefits the industry.  We care
> about your patients and how accurate and/or easy we can make your jobs.
> I am not looking for sympathy (maybe a little) but if Rick, Jeanne or
> other vendors have a contribution on a subject that adds to the
> conversation, I hope they express it.  I respect my fellow vendor’s
> opinions because we talk to a huge number of technologist and physicians
> and we have gained knowledge and perspective that should be helpful.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Phil White BS RVT
> PenVasc
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> *From:* UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On Behalf Of *Terrence
> Case
> * Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:34 AM
> * To:* [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> * Subject:* Re: ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software
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> Could be wrong but as I recall it was a vendor unscrupously posing as a
> technologist pedaling his product. Different from a vendor educating us
> about some new technology or software that may improve our laboratories
> efficicency.
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> Terry
> Sent from iCloud
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> On Oct 06, 2015, at 07:18 AM, Rick Grave <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
> Sorry to set you off Bill, I am also sorry I do not have proof of someone
> being banned but I do remember back in 2008 or 9 or maybe before that of
> this being the case. I may be wrong and it may have just been said in here
> that it happened. Only Steve Knight can say for sure.
> I had no animosity toward Jeanette nor anyone else for that matter but
> since Phil brought it up and Terry jumped in I just wanted to add my two
> cents from what I had read years ago and know that advertising was not
> something encouraged in this list.
> If I have offended others I apologize, I guess I will just remain quiet
> again for another 20 years or so until another post actually does set me
> off.
> Bill I am very sorry for getting you all upset on this. I will stop now or
> I know I will offend or upset others.
> Enjoy your list.
>
> Rick
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> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Bill Johnson <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
> WARNING; An infamous Bill rant follows;
>
> Bill Johnson, Port Townsend, WA
>
> Ah, to set the record straight, and probably bring bricks my way, there
> never was a University of New Mexico listserve.  There was just a list on
> my personal computer of folks I knew or met online that had an interest in
> vascular technology.  I encouraged questions, and not being much of a guru,
> I posted those questions to the list.
>
> I suppose that constitutes a "listserve" albeit a very clumsy one.  I wish
> an archive existed, as our younger colleagues might be amazed what was done
> without the niceties of color imaging or even spectral analysis.  I suppose
> life was easier back then, very few numbers in the way, much more an art
> than a science.  Maybe we should never have considered ourselves
> "technologists"?  But, most everyone was struggling to improve our accuracy
> and provide better patient outcomes.
>
> I am somewhat chagrined at how few *real* questions came up on the
> Flownet, and now the SVU UConnect site.
>
> Rick Grave, I do not think anyone was ever banned for months, Steve might
> correct me here, but I do know public floggings and offline vitriol from
> myself and others often solved the policing problems.  If you have any
> evidence of "banning", I would like to read it.  I know of only one case,
> and that was to a person making derogatory personal remarks against another
> Flownetter.
>
> Terry, I am surprised that you, as a former SVU Board member, would
> criticize an employee of SVU for trying to support our professional
> organization.  You wrote; "The original understanding was that posts were
> only for educational purposes only."  But it makes me wonder what you know
> about the "original understanding".  I also believe learning about the
> impact of the new ICD10 codes IS *educational*.  At least for those that
> depend on reimbursement for their livelihood.  Presently I do not, but I
> still wish to learn what is happening to our profession.
>
> Jeanette, I happen to know your post was in good faith, and you clearly
> declared your position as the SVU marketing director.  Much of the
> "original" problems with marketing on the Flownet were related to folks
> that did not state their affiliation with equipment or products they
> supported.  I also hope, regardless of the above flak, that folks still
> faithful to this forum realize that our Society needs our support. It was
> never a requirement that members of the Flownet be members of SNIVT/SVT/SVU
> to contribute and engage.
>
> A few months back I thought of encouraging everyone here to migrate to the
> SVU forum.  I think there are still some reasons that this forum can and
> should exist in parallel.  I may be a perpetual optimist, but I believe it
> is a good thing to have a place for independent comment, good and bad.
>
> Finally, I think Franklin West was and is a tremendous asset to not only
> SVU, but our profession as a whole.  Unfortunately he is now a "former"
> employee and, while I think that was a mistake, I know he has not turned
> his back on his Society or our profession.  By way of disclosure, I have
> known Frank since 1978, and one of the two things (if any) we agree is
> patient care.  The other is "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams.
>
> "The flogging will go on until morale improves" not sure of the source,
> perhaps a former boss?
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Franklin W. West <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
> Rick, Terry & Phil,
>
> Or have we already seen?
>
> With apologies, several months ago I provided a ‘pitch’ on UVMFLOWNET for
> SVU’s Coding Advisor, largely in preparation for the ICD-9 to ICD-10
> transition.  The only substantive difference was that pitch included a
> brief description regarding how much of the same information might
> otherwise be accessed online (much more difficult and painful, IMHO).  Like
> Jeanette, I too was, at the time, an employee of SVU and, I suspect also
> similar to Jeanette, I was attempting to make life easier for RVTs, RVSs,
> RPVIs, et al. that frequent UVMFLOWNET.
>
> Admittedly, Jeanette does not have a clinical background but maybe her
> marketing background might help make this product make life easier for
> clinical folks???
>
> Not sure about the powers that be but we might just consider the public
> flogging sufficient for the offense committed and let a request to not
> allow it to occur again be sufficient???  That’s my story and I’m sticking
> with it …
>
> If anyone cares to review my crimes, they can be found in the archives
> (along with many others).
>
> All the best,
>
> /fww
>
> PS:  I do recall some early floggings, even predating UVM (remember Univ.
> New Mexico’s listserve?? – and the predated version prior to that … I pray
> no one has copies … A fair amount of Douglas Adams, as I recall …
>
> *From:* UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On Behalf Of *Rick
> Grave
> * Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2015 4:38 PM
> * To:* [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> * Subject:* Re: ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software
>
> yes that is what everyone is told. violators in the past have been banned
> for months at a time as well.
> Guess we will see.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Terrence Case <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
> The original understanding was that posts were only for educational
> purposes only. Terry Case
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 5, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Rick Grave <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
> Sure looks like it Phil, does that mean the rest of the programs that also
> help in this area can post here too?
> Steve Knight whats up?
> Rick
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> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Phil White <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
> Is this advertising???  I know flo-net has been quite so I thought I would
> start something J
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Phil White BS RVT
>
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> *From:* UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On Behalf Of *Jeanette
> Brown
> * Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 9:52 AM
> * To:* [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> * Subject:* ICD-10 - SVU/SVS Coding Advisor Software
>
> If you are looking for something a bit more sophisticated and updated real
> time, check out the SVU/SVSU Coding Advisor Software. With a bi-directional
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> easier and receive more accurate and faster insurance reimbursements. Check
> it out!
>
> www.svunet.org/practicemanagementmain/advisoryservices/codingsoftware
>
> Jeanette Brown, MBA
> Director, Market Development
>
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> Lanham, MD 20706
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