I too am no longer included in the instruction of searching in the College of Pharmacy.  I used to be when our program was on one campus, but when it switched to multiple campuses and the curriculum changed, I was told there was no room for intense instruction on PubMed or literature searching.    It is taught, but using the TBL method of teaching by Pharmacy faculty, who are great searchers.  The students watch the NLM tutorials then work on search projects during the class session.  Part of the issue here is that classes are taught simultaneously on 3 campuses throughout the state with facilitators running them at remote sites.   Since I am in Florida I suggested that Patti contact the librarian who is affiliated with the school, because it may provide the evidence to the college that more needs to be done.   I have tried to get back in with the change of curriculum, but to no avail.  Things won't change here without evidence that they need to change,  and I am sure that is true with medical and pharmacy programs, because our deans are scientists.  

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I've campaigned for it here, but of course the unfortunate reality is that there simply isn't room to spare in the curriculum for lit search instruction.  Fortunately I *am* able to do the occasional 1:1, teach faculty/staff development sessions, & to work with the student organizations outside of class time, but it goes without saying that that's nowhere near enough.  

Part of the problem seems to be that paradoxically, teaching hospitals are a better venue to educate providers-to-be than medical schools seem to be. :\


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This is one of the major things we work with our med students on. I even teach a class to the PA's about using PubMed. I don't understand why anyone would deem it not necessary for them to know how to use PubMed. It just blows my mind! 

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Back when I was at a different hospital with medical students (not pharmacy students) absolutely NONE of them had PubMed (nor Ovid or any other database) training.
On their hospital rotations in my hospital they were asked to do research and they were drowning.  I was totally surprised that they got no PubMed training while they were at the medical school.
I called the librarians from the medical school that we got the students and I was told this....

It was felt that medical students don't need to use PubMed in their first two years of medical school education so the librarians focus on other things.  

I said fine, but then after 2 yrs you are sending them out to hospitals to do their rotations and they are asked to do research on PubMed and they can't.  So you are sending out unprepared students.  If they don't need it during the first 2 yrs of medical school they definitely need it before they do their rotations. When will it be taught?

Long story short, it wasn't being taught nor was it going to be taught before the medical students came to my hospital.  So I worked with the program coordinators at my hospital to have PubMed class for the students squooshed in during one of their rotations.  It was better than nothing and just like Patti said, every one of them mentioned they wished they had been taught the information earlier.

***Please note this past experience is not related at all to my current experience.


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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 5:48 PM
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I taught 4 pharmacy rotation students how to use PubMed. None of them have been given the in depth education in PubMed. This is their only career tool if they go to most hospitals. They all said to a one - they wish they knew this sooner.
1. What are clinical queries
2. How to use MyNcbi to save collections. - during the workday 3. How to save searches(alerts).
4. How tousle filters properly
5. How to read a complete citation for needed information and get the most out of it There is much more that I know you all can add to.

But I am tired of hearing " I wish I had known this a lot earlier ". From a major state school student with impeccable credentials.

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