One interesting thing about Cuba's medical sciences is that when they see something that has a negative impact on the wellbeing of their people, they stop using it. Their medical infrastructure is NOT driven by big global corporate demands as we see as the norm in the US medical sciences.
So... if ultrasound causes fetal death or mental/physical deformities to the extent that some researchers have found, then Cuba's medical forces will stop using it or- which is the more likely case -find a way to modify the technology to minimize its negative impact.
Remember: Cuban doctors and scientists are not dumb and naive... isolated from the larger science communities, waiting and wishing/begging for Western scientists to come to their rescue and also come to tell them what's "good" science and "bad" science. They have survived and thrived in the medical sciences precisely because they have found ways to keep up with the positive and negative aspects of capitalist medicine and science... and have been very innovative because of the inhumane specifics of the US blockade.
Treat them as intellectual and political equals and understand that they know how to provide worldclass medical service in spite of being an economically impoverished nation under a decades long blockade and several bioterrorism attempts.
From: Mitchel Cohen <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Jun 2, 2016 11:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The 3,000 Cuban Doctors Who Stayed After the Revolution
Cuba leads the world in providing top-quality medical care for all it's
citizens, and it does this at no differential cost to individuals living
there. In other words, it's free when you need it.
For a relatively poor country, this is an amazing achievement -- same as
with education! -- and follows from Che Guevara's great speech:
(1) This is an edited and abbreviated extract from a 1960 speech by
Che Guevara, "On Revolutionary Medicine." The entire speech can
be found in John Gerassi, Venceremos, pp 112-119. A
discussion of these issues can be found in Mitchel Cohen's pamphlets,
"At the Risk of Seeming Ridiculous, a true revolutionary is Guided
by Great Feelings of Love: The Revolutionary Legacy of Che Guevara (June
14, 1928 October 9, 1967)"; "An American in
Cuba"; "The Capitalist Infesto"; and especially
"A Talk in Havana, 2013", all currently available.
- Except for Haiti and Santo Domingo, I have visited, to some extent,
all the other Latin American countries. Because of the circumstances in
which I traveled, first as a student and later as a doctor, I came into
close contact with poverty, hunger, and disease; with the inability to
treat a child because of lack of money; with the stupefication provoked
by continual hunger and punishment, to the point that a father can accept
the loss of a son as an unimportant accident, as occurs often in the
downtrodden classes of our American homeland. And I began to realize that
there were things that were almost as important to me as becoming a
famous scientist or making a significant contribution to medical science:
I wanted to help those people.
- How does one actually carry out a work of social welfare? How does
one unite individual endeavor with the needs of society?
- For this task of organization, as for all revolutionary tasks,
fundamentally it is the individual who is needed. The revolution does
not, as some claim, standardize the collective will and the collective
initiative. On the contrary, it liberates one's individual talent. What
the revolution does is orient that talent. And our task now is to orient
the creative abilities of all medical professionals toward the tasks of
- The life of a single human being is worth a million times more
than all the property of the richest man on earth. ... Far more important
than a good remuneration is the pride of serving one's neighbor. Much
more definitive and much more lasting than all the gold that one can
accumulate is the gratitude of a people.
- We must begin to erase our old concepts. We should not go to the
people and say, `Here we are. We come to give you the charity of our
presence, to teach you our science, to show you your errors, your lack of
culture, your ignorance of elementary things.' We should go instead with
an inquiring mind and a humble spirit to learn at that great source of
wisdom that is the people.
- Later we will realize many times how mistaken we were in concepts
that were so familiar they became part of us and were an automatic part
of our thinking. Often we need to change our concepts, not only the
general concepts, the social or philosophical ones, but also sometimes
our medical concepts.
- We shall see that diseases need not always be treated as they are in
big-city hospitals. We shall see that the doctor has to be a farmer also
and plant new foods and sow, by example, the desire to consume new foods,
to diversify the nutritional structure which is so limited, so poor.
- If we plan to redistribute the wealth of those who have too much in
order to give it to those who have nothing; if we intend to make creative
work a daily, dynamic source of all our happiness, then we have goals
towards which to work.(1)
So Jim could have framed his concern about ultrasound and its
effect on fetuses -- which, from what I've read, is a serious concern --
within that context (and he could add amniocentesis as another potential
disruptor of fetal development). Cuba is steeped within the Western
medical model despite the amazing advances it has made and access it has
provided, and it would be worthwhile for Jim to appreciate all of that
while offering his critiques.
At 10:08 AM 6/2/2016, you wrote:
You are a consipracy theorist who has a couple of very narrow
"interests" and on every chance repeat your gosple
truths.Â You do not contribute to the discussion on this list but
simply repeat these "truth" at every occasion. Frankly, it is
In this case, you insulted an entire people, Cubans, who take pride in
their medical achievements and are international recognized for these
achievements by stating this gringoist ignorant statement that is
not based on ANY scientific basis but simply on you compulsive desire to
preach evils of ultrasound as the cause for autism.Â
Here is your statement: "Cuba's greatest medical contribution was
being too poor to afford ultrasound machines."Â
You have NO SOURCE for your claim that autism in Cuba is caused by
ultrasound use during pregnancy. I am willing to bet that you even do not
have any statistics on when ultrasound was introduced in Cuba, when its
use became widespread.Â
Further, I am willing to bet that you have never ever studies medical
progress in Cuba.Â
If you were genuinely interested in the issue you could start by a simple
Internet search or even better a library search. Here is a short list of
what I found on one blog: Our Place in the World which I edit.Â
Cuba Has a Lung Cancer VaccineAnd America Wants It<
Next time you speak, consider thinking first: Do you know what you are
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Jim West
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- Kamran, I must remind you, the topic is Cuba's medical
- Why isn't Cuba applauded for its near-zero autism incidence?
- That is truly Cuba's most amazing achievement -- when the much of the
world is suffering under the weight of this incredible epidemic of
- The reason for ignoring Cuba's greatest achievement?
- Cuba's history, of no ultrasound and no autism, supports most modern
ultrasound science. That science (dose/response studies, in utero)
describes ultrasound as an extreme prenatal risk.
- For example, note the attached image of DNA Fragmentation caused by
low intensity clinical ultrasound. This is a gel electrophoresis plate
image. Source: "A New Bibliography",
- This is a snide and ignorant comment.Â Cuban health care system
is recognized for its many achievement throughout the world. Where is
your source for the claim that autism in Cuba is caused by the use of
- > On May 31, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Jim West
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- > Cuba's greatest medical contribution was being too poor to
afford ultrasound machines.
- > Result: No autism despite full vaccine compliance.
- > More recently, machines are being donated and autism is
- > Jim West
- > http://harvoa.org
- > ===
- > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM, S. E. Anderson
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- > The 3,000 Cuban Doctors Who Stayed After the Revolution
- > by Don Fitz-
- > Don Fitz is the editor of Synthesis/Regeneration: A Magazine of
Green Social Thoughtand co-coordinator of the Green Party of St.
- > The author would like to thank Candace Wolf for making her
interview with Dr. JosÃ© Gilberto Fleites Batista available; Hedelberto
LÃ³pez Blanch for arranging interviews with Dr. Julio LÃ³pez BenÃtez,
Dr. Felipe CÃ¡rdenas GonzÃ¡les, and Dr. Ezno DueÃ±as GÃ³mez; and Rebecca
Fitz for translation. Thanks also to Steve Brouwer, John Kirk, and Joan
Roelofs for their helpful comments on an earlier draft of this
- > âââââ
Ring the bells that still can ring, Forget your perfect
There is a crack, a crack in everything, That's how the light gets
~ Leonard Cohen
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author- "The Black Holocaust for Beginners"