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Hi! These are different lists. The revitalization project is separate, and that email list is much more focused on movement building rather than sharing news stories, etc. I don't think Ben and others from the revitalization project are monitoring this list, but I could be wrong. Sigrid On 11/08/2017 12:11 PM, Kamran Nayeri wrote: > No, Michael. That was a few years ago when I was after you step > aside. There was a collective of a few of us that served as > monitors. I stepped off but the others remained. All old timers. As > the revitalization got underway thanks to Ben Allen and other younger > SftP younger leadership I assumed they have taken responsibility for > this list. So, I hope Ben and others would speak up. I know we are > now using an alternative method of communication as well. So, the > question of whether this list should remain or merged with the new > method of communication and what its purpose would be and whether and > how it is monitored are all questions to revisit. Certainly, the > present quandary requires attention and care. > > Warm regards, > > Kamran > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Michael H Goldhaber > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Kamran, > Aren't you still one of the monitors? > > Best, > Michael > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 8, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Kamran Nayeri <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> Does this list have a monitor? Are there any rules governing it >> activity? >> >> Maggie uses this list and others to advance her own political >> activity not the stated goals of Science for the People. Here it >> is in her own words: >> >> "I send these info to various lists so that people can use it as >> they see fit to educate those majority of Americans - *_when >> Americans realize what evil the elites have been doing to their >> own western populations, I believe they could more easily grasp >> the nature of capitalist regimes."_* >> >> Of course, we are all some kind of left-leaning individuals to be >> on this list and each has our own view about how "to educate >> those majority of Americans." If we all use this (and in Maggie's >> case "other lists") then SftP list becomes a hodge-podge of posts >> with no direction to advance any shared interest that has brought >> us together. >> >> I urge the current leadership of SftP take this matter into >> consideration and offer simple directions and a minimal >> monitoring of this list. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Kamran >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Maggie Zhou >> <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> First to Carrol, "The CIA is of course one large war crime, >> and one need not look into hidden places to establish that." >> What you're not understanding is that most Americans don't >> see it that way, in fact most scientists I know (I used to be >> one of them) who are well educated otherwise, don't know the >> nature of capitalism, imperialism, and the naked truth of CIA >> and it's bloody history of crimes against humanity. >> >> Perhaps you're long steeped in anti-imperialist movements >> like many others on leftist list, but you're out of touch >> with the mentality of most ordinary Americans, a majority of >> them still think the US wage wars to spread freedom & >> democracy, whether they think it's "worth it" is another >> matter. They think CIA may have used some shady tactics >> (which is even glorified in spy movies like James Bond) but >> it was all to serve the larger good. >> >> That's why the majority of Americans are NOT joining our >> "movements", despite decades of building such "movements". >> If you think otherwise you're deluding yourself. >> >> I send these info to various lists so that people can use it >> as they see fit to educate those majority of Americans - >> *_when Americans realize what evil the elites have been doing >> to their own western populations, I believe they could more >> easily grasp the nature of capitalist regimes._* >> >> And to Kamran, I know very well what CIA did to Iran in 1953, >> but I've been told to stick to something relevant to Science >> for the People, and this article has to do with LSD and mind >> control, which to me is relevant. >> >> I urge you not to jump every time when I send any relevant >> info, to lecture and shut me up. Hit delete if you don't >> want to read. >> >> Maggie >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 6:02 AM, >> SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE automatic digest system >> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> >> 1. >> * >> >> Re: CIA Poisoned French Town with LSD in Mind Control >> Experiment in 1951 (11/08) >> *From:* "Cox, Carrol" <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> * Re: CIA Poisoned French Town with LSD in Mind Control >> Experiment in 1951 (11/07) >> *From:* Kamran Nayeri <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> >> >> Maggie Zhou >> >> Kamran, >> >> You seem to take it light heartedly. "At least five people >> died, dozens were interned in asylums and hundreds afflicted" >> in that French town, according to Telegraph article. Not >> sure if you would like that in your well. >> >> ------ >> >> This shows vividly the political weakness of "conspiricism." >> The CIA is of course one large war crime, and one need not >> look into hidden places to establish that. It's obvious from >> the front pages of the New York Times. Chicken-shit crimes >> like that you are laboriously uncovering merely act to >> conceal the big and open crimes. Movements opposing U.S. >> imperialism and the massive war crimes of the last 70 years >> do not depend on such torturous "proof." You need to study >> what brings people to the streets. It is _not_ long proofs of >> particular (and often cloudy) acts; that fails even if the >> claims are true. A focus on conspiracy can tear a local >> anti-war group apat, thus aidind u.s. war making. >> >> Carrol >> >> Now that you are focused on the CIA, could you shed some >> light on its current secret mission in Afghanistan? In 1953, >> CIA overthrew the democratically elected Mossadegh government >> in Iran which resulted in 25 years of U.S.-backed >> dictatorship thousands were executed and many more were >> jailed and tortured during that time. Yes, the CIA is BAD. >> But what do these have to do with building Science for the >> People? >> >> Kamran Nayeri >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kamran Nayeri > > > > > -- > Kamran Nayeri -- Sigrid Schmalzer Professor, History Department University of Massachusetts Amherst /Red Revolution, Green Revolution: Scientific Farming in Socialist China/ <http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/R/bo22541357.html> (University of Chicago Press, 2016) Forthcoming from UMass Press in January, 2018: /Science for the People: Documents from America's Movement of Radical Scientists/ <https://www.facebook.com/scienceforthepeoplebook/> Forthcoming from Tilbury House Publishers in February, 2018: /Moth and Wasp, Soil and Ocean: Remembering Chinese Scientist Pu Zhelong/ <https://tilburyhouse.com/book/education-and-teaching/by-subject/multicultural/moth-and-wasp-soil-and-ocean/> (picture book)