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I'm not a pro, but I'd look to sandpaper or files to "shave" a piece of
plastic underfoot.  Go slowly.

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On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Todd Fisher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> +1 for Dana's recipe, delivered by Big Tim. It helps to preheat with
> grates out to avoid grill marks on the liners.
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2017 3:03 PM, "Sharon Heller" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> yesterday I took the plastic sole out from under the boot liner and it
>> fit so much better.
>>
>> I saw somewhere on the interwebs that someone "shaved down" that inner
>> plastic sole, perhaps with a file, not sure as they didn't specify. It's
>> plastic.
>>
>> I'm not feeling keen on baking the whole liner in the oven and trying to
>> get the hot gooey thing into the shell on my own. I'm putting the boots on
>> each night for at least 15 minutes. I also get on my Skier's Edge with them
>> on. Good to create more heat. Only "Pturns" on the skier's edge though.
>>
>> Hopefully Greek Peak will be open Saturday because that is the day I will
>> be able to get there and also to be able to borrow a pair of tele-skis. I
>> am getting a pair of Dawn Patrols from a friend but won't see him for 2
>> more weeks.
>>
>> From the looks of the webcam, they aren't making snow right now and there
>> isn't enough to cover a trail yet. Not looking good for the weekend,
>> especially with warm temps after tomorrow.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Rice, Robert <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ben’s idea of baking the whole thing might help.  That would allow the
>>> outer liner to conform to the shell and probably let you sink back into the
>>> heal pocket more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you only heating the inside of the liner?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports [mailto:
>>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Benjamin Bloom
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2017 11:30 AM
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [SKIVT-L] My brand new Telemark Boots arrived!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still like Cooking with Big Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izrj3EyNpb4
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>>>
>>> Though more and more I go to a shop for a bake.  If they're only putting
>>> it in the oven and back into the shell, I don't think I get charged or if I
>>> do, it's minimal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Paul Terwilliger <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't know it was so complicated.
>>>
>>> 1) Wait for spouse to go on an errand (because cooking ski boots just
>>> wouldn't be something to share).
>>> 2) Oven at 200.
>>> 3) Cook liners until soft.
>>> 4) Reassemble and insert feet with ski socks.
>>> 5) (Optional) A bit of forward lean.
>>>
>>> Rice?  Soy sauce?
>>>
>>> PaulT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:30:27 -0500, LASH wrote:
>>>
>>> >I used short grain brown rice (organic of course ;-).
>>> >
>>> >I used regular ski socks and thinking thin liner will be my choice this
>>> >weekend.
>>> >
>>> >I made toe caps from an old pair of neoprene socks. I could barely keep
>>> the
>>> >boots on long enough with the socks and toe caps in because it was so
>>> darn
>>> >snug and cutting off circulation. After 10 minutes I took them off and
>>> put
>>> >my foot in with just a ski sock. Felt much better, but still quite snug
>>> and
>>> >slows down blood flow.
>>> >
>>> >I banged my heel down a few times but am wondering about heating them up
>>> >again and trying it again, or just going out with thin sock liners first
>>> >and giving that a try first. Perhaps they will pack out a bit, but I'm
>>> not
>>> >sure there's enough room in the boot at this point for me to take more
>>> than
>>> >a run or 2 before running back to the lodge screaming to get my boots
>>> off.
>>> >
>>> >I'm going to try to stay conservative on this. I can always try more
>>> things
>>> >each time and worst case, pay my dang LBS/LSS to custom fit them for
>>> >me...but I'm not ready for that just yet. Still more to try. I think I
>>> can
>>> >do it.
>>> >
>>> >I was just wondering what one would use to "shave down" some of the
>>> plastic
>>> >in the thing under the foot. It's like a riser, so I"m thinking if it is
>>> >lower, it would give me a little more volume up top.
>>> >
>>> >On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Matthew Kulas <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> You didn't use minute rice, did you? That's a quick way to ruin your
>>> >> liners. Brown rice, while it takes longer to cook than white rice,
>>> retains
>>> >> its heat longer than white rice due to the greater concentration of
>>> >> arsenic, and for this reason, it is my go-to rice for cooking boot
>>> liners.
>>> >> That said, I have recently heard that quinoa produces stellar results,
>>> >> particularly when cooking the older Garmont liners, so I will
>>> probably give
>>> >> them a try the next time that I cook my Syner-G liners. Avoid basmati
>>> rice,
>>> >> as the long grains and harder texture cause dimpling on the inside of
>>> the
>>> >> liner. I learned that the hard way.
>>> >>
>>> >> —Matt K.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Kevin Broderick <
>>> >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Are you using ski socks or thinner liner socks?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you're using normal ski socks, switching to liner socks will
>>> probably
>>> >>> make a boot that seems to be on the snug side fit just right. My BD
>>> tele
>>> >>> boots are towards the uncomfortable side of snug with even a
>>> lightweight
>>> >>> "ski" sock but feel pretty good with liner socks.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Sharon Heller <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I used this method...I just overcooked the rice the second time
>>> around.
>>> >>>> I didn't realize how powerful my microwave was. But, I didn't think
>>> the
>>> >>>> rice was really too hot, but I may do it again anyway. I may remove
>>> some
>>> >>>> material from the thing at the bottom of the boot under the liner
>>> to create
>>> >>>> a little more space since there is really no space at all. It is
>>> darn snug.
>>> >>>> More snug than my alpine boots.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Alfred Eisenberg <
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Just in case you haven’t seen this and don’t know what kind of
>>> liners
>>> >>>>> you have so YMMV.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Here’s what I used for my scarpa intuition liners…
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Video and written
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> http://intuitionliners.com/fitting/home-fitting-instructions/
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__intuitionliners.com_fitting_home-2Dfitting-2Dinstructions_&d=DwMFaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=JE7rQVLn1g-00s76cbbUpS2Dm51eWvRyHUZpg6CC0-E&m=JqOqduhnYaYdA4D6jOQuVjfmGVksJ7V2K-vy6pinu0Q&s=J8kclFMysQDnVBP2ZLMAu66tNkN5Az6QkPpYxVufyDY&e=>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>> >>>>> *From: *Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <
>>> >>>>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Sharon Heller <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> >>>>> *Reply-To: *Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <
>>> >>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> >>>>> *Date: *Monday, November 20, 2017 at 10:23 PM
>>> >>>>> *To: *<[log in to unmask]>
>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [SKIVT-L] My brand new Telemark Boots arrived!!!
>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ok, they are done, but they are still quite snug. I don't know how
>>> long
>>> >>>>> I will be able to ski with them on. I guess we'll find out this
>>> weekend.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Sharon Heller <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Plan A, left boot done, still snug
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> put rice/sock back into microwave for right boot and after 6
>>> minutes it
>>> >>>>> began to smoke. I opened up the microwave only to find the rice
>>> was melting
>>> >>>>> the synthetic sock and spilling out all over. I took the whole
>>> smokey thing
>>> >>>>> outside and opened the windows. Thankfully the smoke detectors
>>> didn't go
>>> >>>>> off. Makes me wonder if they are working because the house smells
>>> pretty
>>> >>>>> smokey. Will check that out.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> So the left boot is molded, but it is still a bit snug. My toe is
>>> at
>>> >>>>> the top of the boot liner. I may re-do it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Looking for another sock to heat the rice in. I think rice can
>>> only be
>>> >>>>> heated once, or perhaps it only needs 5 minutes.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Anyone have experience with heating rice in a microwave?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Sharon Heller <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> And they are Black Diamond Stiletto's and are really really snug,
>>> like
>>> >>>>> "alpine boot" snug.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> So I guess I should have expected that given that I ordered the
>>> same
>>> >>>>> mondo size as my Salomon alpine boots.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I can get just 1 finger between my heel and the back of the shell
>>> with
>>> >>>>> my toes touching the front of the shell.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I haven't molded the liners yet.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I plan to use old surf booties as toe caps. Perhaps 2 of them, if
>>> I can
>>> >>>>> get them in the liner.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Plan A
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Use rice in sock microwave method
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> if that doesn't work
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Plan B
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Heat in oven on wooden cutting board at 250 degrees (told to head
>>> up
>>> >>>>> oven to 350, then turn off oven, wait 5 minutes, then put boots in
>>> on wood
>>> >>>>> board for 5 minutes) watching to make sure they don't get too
>>> baked.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> if that doesn't work
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Plan C
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Bring them to a boot fitter
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> All ideas and suggestions for the best telemark boot fit are
>>> welcome.
>>> >>>>> And I'm sure some of you will have some unwelcome suggestions and
>>> since it
>>> >>>>> is summer, let'm roll....
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> PS returning them and ordering the next size up will cost me at
>>> least
>>> >>>>> $100
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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