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I got to try out the boots on Saturday, but I took the plastic sole pieces
out and to have enough room in the boot to ski, though my toes were
touching the top and it was a little painful, but I was able to ski. I rode
my friend's Sin 7s and they were pretty fun. It felt ok and I took about 10
runs before my feet hurt too much. The sun was still shining so I switched
into my alpine boots and they felt so great and fit like a glove. Alpine
skiing is so much easier. My mind was much freer without the free heels.

I will reheat the boots in the oven this week and try it again with a
thicker toe cap. Looking to free the heel and the mind simultaneously.

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Benjamin Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm not a pro, but I'd look to sandpaper or files to "shave" a piece of
> plastic underfoot.  Go slowly.
>
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> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Todd Fisher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> +1 for Dana's recipe, delivered by Big Tim. It helps to preheat with
>> grates out to avoid grill marks on the liners.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2017 3:03 PM, "Sharon Heller" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> yesterday I took the plastic sole out from under the boot liner and it
>>> fit so much better.
>>>
>>> I saw somewhere on the interwebs that someone "shaved down" that inner
>>> plastic sole, perhaps with a file, not sure as they didn't specify. It's
>>> plastic.
>>>
>>> I'm not feeling keen on baking the whole liner in the oven and trying to
>>> get the hot gooey thing into the shell on my own. I'm putting the boots on
>>> each night for at least 15 minutes. I also get on my Skier's Edge with them
>>> on. Good to create more heat. Only "Pturns" on the skier's edge though.
>>>
>>> Hopefully Greek Peak will be open Saturday because that is the day I
>>> will be able to get there and also to be able to borrow a pair of
>>> tele-skis. I am getting a pair of Dawn Patrols from a friend but won't see
>>> him for 2 more weeks.
>>>
>>> From the looks of the webcam, they aren't making snow right now and
>>> there isn't enough to cover a trail yet. Not looking good for the weekend,
>>> especially with warm temps after tomorrow.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Rice, Robert <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben’s idea of baking the whole thing might help.  That would allow the
>>>> outer liner to conform to the shell and probably let you sink back into the
>>>> heal pocket more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you only heating the inside of the liner?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports [mailto:
>>>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Benjamin Bloom
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2017 11:30 AM
>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SKIVT-L] My brand new Telemark Boots arrived!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still like Cooking with Big Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izrj3EyNpb4
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Though more and more I go to a shop for a bake.  If they're only
>>>> putting it in the oven and back into the shell, I don't think I get charged
>>>> or if I do, it's minimal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Paul Terwilliger <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know it was so complicated.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Wait for spouse to go on an errand (because cooking ski boots just
>>>> wouldn't be something to share).
>>>> 2) Oven at 200.
>>>> 3) Cook liners until soft.
>>>> 4) Reassemble and insert feet with ski socks.
>>>> 5) (Optional) A bit of forward lean.
>>>>
>>>> Rice?  Soy sauce?
>>>>
>>>> PaulT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:30:27 -0500, LASH wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >I used short grain brown rice (organic of course ;-).
>>>> >
>>>> >I used regular ski socks and thinking thin liner will be my choice this
>>>> >weekend.
>>>> >
>>>> >I made toe caps from an old pair of neoprene socks. I could barely
>>>> keep the
>>>> >boots on long enough with the socks and toe caps in because it was so
>>>> darn
>>>> >snug and cutting off circulation. After 10 minutes I took them off and
>>>> put
>>>> >my foot in with just a ski sock. Felt much better, but still quite
>>>> snug and
>>>> >slows down blood flow.
>>>> >
>>>> >I banged my heel down a few times but am wondering about heating them
>>>> up
>>>> >again and trying it again, or just going out with thin sock liners
>>>> first
>>>> >and giving that a try first. Perhaps they will pack out a bit, but I'm
>>>> not
>>>> >sure there's enough room in the boot at this point for me to take more
>>>> than
>>>> >a run or 2 before running back to the lodge screaming to get my boots
>>>> off.
>>>> >
>>>> >I'm going to try to stay conservative on this. I can always try more
>>>> things
>>>> >each time and worst case, pay my dang LBS/LSS to custom fit them for
>>>> >me...but I'm not ready for that just yet. Still more to try. I think I
>>>> can
>>>> >do it.
>>>> >
>>>> >I was just wondering what one would use to "shave down" some of the
>>>> plastic
>>>> >in the thing under the foot. It's like a riser, so I"m thinking if it
>>>> is
>>>> >lower, it would give me a little more volume up top.
>>>> >
>>>> >On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Matthew Kulas <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> You didn't use minute rice, did you? That's a quick way to ruin your
>>>> >> liners. Brown rice, while it takes longer to cook than white rice,
>>>> retains
>>>> >> its heat longer than white rice due to the greater concentration of
>>>> >> arsenic, and for this reason, it is my go-to rice for cooking boot
>>>> liners.
>>>> >> That said, I have recently heard that quinoa produces stellar
>>>> results,
>>>> >> particularly when cooking the older Garmont liners, so I will
>>>> probably give
>>>> >> them a try the next time that I cook my Syner-G liners. Avoid
>>>> basmati rice,
>>>> >> as the long grains and harder texture cause dimpling on the inside
>>>> of the
>>>> >> liner. I learned that the hard way.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> —Matt K.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Kevin Broderick <
>>>> >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Are you using ski socks or thinner liner socks?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If you're using normal ski socks, switching to liner socks will
>>>> probably
>>>> >>> make a boot that seems to be on the snug side fit just right. My BD
>>>> tele
>>>> >>> boots are towards the uncomfortable side of snug with even a
>>>> lightweight
>>>> >>> "ski" sock but feel pretty good with liner socks.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Sharon Heller <[log in to unmask]
>>>> >
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I used this method...I just overcooked the rice the second time
>>>> around.
>>>> >>>> I didn't realize how powerful my microwave was. But, I didn't
>>>> think the
>>>> >>>> rice was really too hot, but I may do it again anyway. I may
>>>> remove some
>>>> >>>> material from the thing at the bottom of the boot under the liner
>>>> to create
>>>> >>>> a little more space since there is really no space at all. It is
>>>> darn snug.
>>>> >>>> More snug than my alpine boots.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Alfred Eisenberg <
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Just in case you haven’t seen this and don’t know what kind of
>>>> liners
>>>> >>>>> you have so YMMV.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Here’s what I used for my scarpa intuition liners…
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Video and written
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> http://intuitionliners.com/fitting/home-fitting-instructions/
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__intuitionliners.com_fitting_home-2Dfitting-2Dinstructions_&d=DwMFaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=JE7rQVLn1g-00s76cbbUpS2Dm51eWvRyHUZpg6CC0-E&m=JqOqduhnYaYdA4D6jOQuVjfmGVksJ7V2K-vy6pinu0Q&s=J8kclFMysQDnVBP2ZLMAu66tNkN5Az6QkPpYxVufyDY&e=>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *From: *Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <
>>>> >>>>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Sharon Heller <
>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>> >>>>> *Reply-To: *Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <
>>>> >>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>> >>>>> *Date: *Monday, November 20, 2017 at 10:23 PM
>>>> >>>>> *To: *<[log in to unmask]>
>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [SKIVT-L] My brand new Telemark Boots arrived!!!
>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Ok, they are done, but they are still quite snug. I don't know
>>>> how long
>>>> >>>>> I will be able to ski with them on. I guess we'll find out this
>>>> weekend.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Sharon Heller <
>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Plan A, left boot done, still snug
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> put rice/sock back into microwave for right boot and after 6
>>>> minutes it
>>>> >>>>> began to smoke. I opened up the microwave only to find the rice
>>>> was melting
>>>> >>>>> the synthetic sock and spilling out all over. I took the whole
>>>> smokey thing
>>>> >>>>> outside and opened the windows. Thankfully the smoke detectors
>>>> didn't go
>>>> >>>>> off. Makes me wonder if they are working because the house smells
>>>> pretty
>>>> >>>>> smokey. Will check that out.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> So the left boot is molded, but it is still a bit snug. My toe is
>>>> at
>>>> >>>>> the top of the boot liner. I may re-do it.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Looking for another sock to heat the rice in. I think rice can
>>>> only be
>>>> >>>>> heated once, or perhaps it only needs 5 minutes.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Anyone have experience with heating rice in a microwave?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Sharon Heller <
>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> And they are Black Diamond Stiletto's and are really really snug,
>>>> like
>>>> >>>>> "alpine boot" snug.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> So I guess I should have expected that given that I ordered the
>>>> same
>>>> >>>>> mondo size as my Salomon alpine boots.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I can get just 1 finger between my heel and the back of the shell
>>>> with
>>>> >>>>> my toes touching the front of the shell.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I haven't molded the liners yet.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I plan to use old surf booties as toe caps. Perhaps 2 of them, if
>>>> I can
>>>> >>>>> get them in the liner.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Plan A
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Use rice in sock microwave method
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> if that doesn't work
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Plan B
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Heat in oven on wooden cutting board at 250 degrees (told to head
>>>> up
>>>> >>>>> oven to 350, then turn off oven, wait 5 minutes, then put boots
>>>> in on wood
>>>> >>>>> board for 5 minutes) watching to make sure they don't get too
>>>> baked.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> if that doesn't work
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Plan C
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Bring them to a boot fitter
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> All ideas and suggestions for the best telemark boot fit are
>>>> welcome.
>>>> >>>>> And I'm sure some of you will have some unwelcome suggestions and
>>>> since it
>>>> >>>>> is summer, let'm roll....
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> PS returning them and ordering the next size up will cost me at
>>>> least
>>>> >>>>> $100
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
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