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Larry,
I like your approach with teachers.  We are looking to migrate our teachers
to chromebooks  and this looks like a reasonable approach and plan to share
this with our administration.

I am moving to a chromebook for the same reason you point out. But I am
curious if you have found any tasks that you have not been able to
accomplish on the chromebook?  I found a remote desktop app that works
smoothly with our servers, so that is one hurdle down.  Is there anything
else I should be aware of?

Thanks,
Sylvia

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Russell Gregory <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> We began issuing Chromebooks to our teachers as well as their Macs when
> their classes went 1-2-1.  The vast majority of the teachers have yet to
> personally use the Chromebooks in any meaningful way.  In fact if asked to
> bring them to a meeting I'm sure there would be quite a bit of searching
> around to find them...
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Keith Puffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dewaine,
>>
>> We have been working through that process as well (existing
>> services/applications not supported on Chrome).  We are looking at having
>> Staff keep their Mac while perhaps having a Chromebook as well to explore
>> options/replacements, for Smart as example.  With Smart, the licensing we
>> have allows users all the services within the suite.  Smart folks have been
>> gradually making accommodations for the Chrome users the last several
>> years...I will again be optimistic that a true Chrome functionality is in
>> the pipeline (however, my last conversation with the Smart folks was
>> similar to Apple - tight lipped about future changes/improvements).  I
>> would encourage you to take a renewed look at their website.
>>
>> Special Education services are now (for the most part in our District)
>> cloud based.  Any renewals or new purchasing I hope look at web based
>> services.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Dewaine Fitzherbert <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> A very interesting approach, I would head in that direction but I'm
>>> curious about the caveats it brings such as using SMART software for
>>> teachers or special ed services. Among other specialized software installs
>>> not mentioned. Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dewaine Fitzherbert
>>> District Tech Director
>>> Springfield School District
>>> W (802)885-7921 <(802)%20885-7921>
>>> C (802) 591-0492
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Larry Dougher <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have made the switch, but we have done it in stages and with a
>>>> plan.  There has been some push-back, but not nearly as one would expect.
>>>> Off the top of my head, we are probably at 50-60% faculty using
>>>> Chromebooks.  First, we started this last year with the Acer Chromebook 14
>>>> for Work and this year we went with the HP Chromebook 13 G1.  Both have 8GB
>>>> RAM and are significantly "nicer" than student Chromebooks.  Now, for the
>>>> groups/plan:
>>>>
>>>> Group A) Teachers that want to switch right away, they swap their
>>>> Mac/Win for a teacher Chromebook, no questions asked.
>>>> Group B) Teachers that want to test-drive a teacher Chromebook but
>>>> don't want to give back their Mac/Win laptop until the end of the school
>>>> year.
>>>> Group C) Teachers that want never want a Chromebook under any
>>>> circumstance, they want to retire with their Mac/Win laptop. That's fine,
>>>> they can keep it, but they will never get an upgrade. They can move to
>>>> Group B or A anytime.
>>>> Group D) New teachers automatically get a teacher Chromebook.
>>>>
>>>> Now, some parts of the success we have had with this plan is that 1) we
>>>> eat our own dog food - I, and our IT staff, have been using a Chromebook
>>>> exclusively for at least 4-5 years (before we even thought about bringing
>>>> this to teachers), so the whole "If I can do it, you can do it" lends some
>>>> weight. And 2) Administrators are in the exact same boat.  And right now,
>>>> probably half of our Admin team including new principals and our
>>>> Superintendent are using Chromebooks.  Finally, the fact that we aren't
>>>> mandating a forced switch for everyone (Group C) has helped some of the
>>>> heartburn.  Change is difficult, but it can be done.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:27 AM Keith Puffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lucie,
>>>>>
>>>>> No discussion regarding ergonomics, however, I agree with you that if
>>>>> a device is going to be used for extended time each day, then user habits
>>>>> as well as device layout could be looked at.  (As someone who has had the
>>>>> responsibility in previous employment to look at ergonomics, I think this
>>>>> is something that has had very little address in the Educational realm -
>>>>> perhaps I just have not been listening for that conversation and
>>>>> optimistically oblivious to the subject.)  Keyboard size, distance of the
>>>>> keyboard from front edge of device, screen size...all factors in
>>>>> ergonomics, and more so is HOW the user interacts with the device,
>>>>> especially for extended periods of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Students in the schools I support use the CTL NL6 series Chromebook
>>>>> and it looks like we will be moving to the J5 for Staff.  I am, again,
>>>>> optimistic that the flip/touch Chromebook fits both Staff and Student needs
>>>>> in the Chrome and Android markets (keyboarded and tablet dual
>>>>> functionality)...we shall see.  My opinion is that we (Staff) should use as
>>>>> similar device as possible to what Students use.  Granted, the OS and most
>>>>> functionality doesn't change greatly between Chromebook models.  Both are
>>>>> 11.6" screen models.
>>>>>
>>>>> As with any device choice, the user's needs (and habits?) should be
>>>>> part of the discussion before purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>> I look forward to others' comments on this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Lucie deLaBruere <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith you mentioned that you were switching from Mac to Chromebooks
>>>>>> for educators..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm curious if there is a difference between the teacher/student
>>>>>> device on the teacher device.  And has anyone tried a Pixel or other high
>>>>>> end Chromebook.  Are they worth it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   The reason I ask is that while I was working directly with students
>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that my device was the same as theirs so I would know
>>>>>> what their issues are and be able to support them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ergonomics has always been important to me, but even more so since my
>>>>>> work now has a different focus and I spend long hours on my computer
>>>>>> supporting my online students.  I was having some issues with wrist,
>>>>>> shoulder, arm pain - that went away after I started I switched from a
>>>>>> cheaper machine or Chromebook to a Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I live in the cloud,  I think I could use a Chromebook as my
>>>>>> main device if it had a keyboard /tract pad and display that were
>>>>>> ergonomically designed to meet the long hours I spend on a computer.   I
>>>>>> find that the cheap Chromebook I have as my secondary device is challenging
>>>>>> for long spells on the computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just curious if anyone has experience with a Chromebook that has been
>>>>>> designed with ergonomics in mind.    Any recommendations welcomed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucie
>>>>>>
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Sylvia Gagne
IT Support
Missisquoi Valley Union Middle and High School
175 Thunderbird Drive
Swanton, VT 05488