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Agree with folks here  that the uses  we can't perform on a Chromebook are
fewer and fewer. There are some legitimate uses that we should not forget
about and have a plan for folks who need this use (like Rodney said.. many
coding, robotics, maker tools, etc) are still in need of a Windows or Mac.
I assume that schools will have alternate devices for the teacher who is
the robotics coach, or who needs an Arduino driver, or is in charge of a 3D
printer, laser cutter, etc and also have devices in a library, cart,  or
lab that students can access for those uses.  It might also mean investing
in some tools like WeVideo  or Codebender (Arduino) as the needs occur.
Thankfully more and more opportunities are surfacing!   Even my GlowForge
Laser Cutter - which is finally being shipped  promises laser cutting via
Web  (fingers crossed)

Good discussion.  Thanks everyone for the conversation.

Lucie



On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Larry Dougher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Sylvia,
>
> Honestly, I have been using a Chromebook for so long it is hard to think
> of tasks I can't accomplish.  There were tasks I had to find a "different
> way".  I coach basketball.  So, for the varsity film, rather than editing
> via iMovie, I have been using WeVideo.  Instead of keeping track of my
> budget items with Numbers, I use Sheets.  And so on.
>
> A Chromebook alllows me to do 90% of what I need to do 90% of the time,
> and it does it VERY well and fast.  I can live with the 10%.  Frankly, it
> was probably 90% five years ago and is closer to 95% now.  I have an iMac
> in the corner of my office.  I can't remember the last time I logged into
> it.  If someone asked me to code an Android app on it, would I have some
> trouble?  Sure, but I'm not in Devops.
>
> Things WILL be different.  But they were different when I went from an
> Apple II to a Mac to an iMac on OS9 to OS X to Windows XP when I worked at
> Dartmouth, to Mac OS X to come to work here, and now to Chrome OS.  I've
> always had to find a "different" way to do something.  I would just rather
> do it on the web now.  Like my Email.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:52 AM Sylvia Gagne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Larry,
>> I like your approach with teachers.  We are looking to migrate our
>> teachers to chromebooks  and this looks like a reasonable approach and plan
>> to share this with our administration.
>>
>> I am moving to a chromebook for the same reason you point out. But I am
>> curious if you have found any tasks that you have not been able to
>> accomplish on the chromebook?  I found a remote desktop app that works
>> smoothly with our servers, so that is one hurdle down.  Is there anything
>> else I should be aware of?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sylvia
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Russell Gregory <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We began issuing Chromebooks to our teachers as well as their Macs when
>>> their classes went 1-2-1.  The vast majority of the teachers have yet to
>>> personally use the Chromebooks in any meaningful way.  In fact if asked to
>>> bring them to a meeting I'm sure there would be quite a bit of searching
>>> around to find them...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Keith Puffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dewaine,
>>>>
>>>> We have been working through that process as well (existing
>>>> services/applications not supported on Chrome).  We are looking at having
>>>> Staff keep their Mac while perhaps having a Chromebook as well to explore
>>>> options/replacements, for Smart as example.  With Smart, the licensing we
>>>> have allows users all the services within the suite.  Smart folks have been
>>>> gradually making accommodations for the Chrome users the last several
>>>> years...I will again be optimistic that a true Chrome functionality is in
>>>> the pipeline (however, my last conversation with the Smart folks was
>>>> similar to Apple - tight lipped about future changes/improvements).  I
>>>> would encourage you to take a renewed look at their website.
>>>>
>>>> Special Education services are now (for the most part in our District)
>>>> cloud based.  Any renewals or new purchasing I hope look at web based
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Dewaine Fitzherbert <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A very interesting approach, I would head in that direction but I'm
>>>>> curious about the caveats it brings such as using SMART software for
>>>>> teachers or special ed services. Among other specialized software installs
>>>>> not mentioned. Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dewaine Fitzherbert
>>>>> District Tech Director
>>>>> Springfield School District
>>>>> W (802)885-7921 <(802)%20885-7921>
>>>>> C (802) 591-0492
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Larry Dougher <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have made the switch, but we have done it in stages and with a
>>>>>> plan.  There has been some push-back, but not nearly as one would expect.
>>>>>> Off the top of my head, we are probably at 50-60% faculty using
>>>>>> Chromebooks.  First, we started this last year with the Acer Chromebook 14
>>>>>> for Work and this year we went with the HP Chromebook 13 G1.  Both have 8GB
>>>>>> RAM and are significantly "nicer" than student Chromebooks.  Now, for the
>>>>>> groups/plan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Group A) Teachers that want to switch right away, they swap their
>>>>>> Mac/Win for a teacher Chromebook, no questions asked.
>>>>>> Group B) Teachers that want to test-drive a teacher Chromebook but
>>>>>> don't want to give back their Mac/Win laptop until the end of the school
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>> Group C) Teachers that want never want a Chromebook under any
>>>>>> circumstance, they want to retire with their Mac/Win laptop. That's fine,
>>>>>> they can keep it, but they will never get an upgrade. They can move to
>>>>>> Group B or A anytime.
>>>>>> Group D) New teachers automatically get a teacher Chromebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, some parts of the success we have had with this plan is that 1)
>>>>>> we eat our own dog food - I, and our IT staff, have been using a Chromebook
>>>>>> exclusively for at least 4-5 years (before we even thought about bringing
>>>>>> this to teachers), so the whole "If I can do it, you can do it" lends some
>>>>>> weight. And 2) Administrators are in the exact same boat.  And right now,
>>>>>> probably half of our Admin team including new principals and our
>>>>>> Superintendent are using Chromebooks.  Finally, the fact that we aren't
>>>>>> mandating a forced switch for everyone (Group C) has helped some of the
>>>>>> heartburn.  Change is difficult, but it can be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:27 AM Keith Puffer <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lucie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No discussion regarding ergonomics, however, I agree with you that
>>>>>>> if a device is going to be used for extended time each day, then user
>>>>>>> habits as well as device layout could be looked at.  (As someone who has
>>>>>>> had the responsibility in previous employment to look at ergonomics, I
>>>>>>> think this is something that has had very little address in the Educational
>>>>>>> realm - perhaps I just have not been listening for that conversation and
>>>>>>> optimistically oblivious to the subject.)  Keyboard size, distance of the
>>>>>>> keyboard from front edge of device, screen size...all factors in
>>>>>>> ergonomics, and more so is HOW the user interacts with the device,
>>>>>>> especially for extended periods of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Students in the schools I support use the CTL NL6 series Chromebook
>>>>>>> and it looks like we will be moving to the J5 for Staff.  I am, again,
>>>>>>> optimistic that the flip/touch Chromebook fits both Staff and Student needs
>>>>>>> in the Chrome and Android markets (keyboarded and tablet dual
>>>>>>> functionality)...we shall see.  My opinion is that we (Staff) should use as
>>>>>>> similar device as possible to what Students use.  Granted, the OS and most
>>>>>>> functionality doesn't change greatly between Chromebook models.  Both are
>>>>>>> 11.6" screen models.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As with any device choice, the user's needs (and habits?) should be
>>>>>>> part of the discussion before purchase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I look forward to others' comments on this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Lucie deLaBruere <
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keith you mentioned that you were switching from Mac to Chromebooks
>>>>>>>> for educators..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm curious if there is a difference between the teacher/student
>>>>>>>> device on the teacher device.  And has anyone tried a Pixel or other high
>>>>>>>> end Chromebook.  Are they worth it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   The reason I ask is that while I was working directly with
>>>>>>>> students I wanted to make sure that my device was the same as theirs so I
>>>>>>>> would know what their issues are and be able to support them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ergonomics has always been important to me, but even more so since
>>>>>>>> my work now has a different focus and I spend long hours on my computer
>>>>>>>> supporting my online students.  I was having some issues with wrist,
>>>>>>>> shoulder, arm pain - that went away after I started I switched from a
>>>>>>>> cheaper machine or Chromebook to a Mac.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I live in the cloud,  I think I could use a Chromebook as my
>>>>>>>> main device if it had a keyboard /tract pad and display that were
>>>>>>>> ergonomically designed to meet the long hours I spend on a computer.   I
>>>>>>>> find that the cheap Chromebook I have as my secondary device is challenging
>>>>>>>> for long spells on the computer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just curious if anyone has experience with a Chromebook that has
>>>>>>>> been designed with ergonomics in mind.    Any recommendations welcomed!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lucie
>>>>>>>>
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