On this basis, most German Nazis in the twenties,  thirties and forties were not anti-Semitic but just felt displaced or betrayed by Jews. Implicit racism may be different from overt racism, but it is still racism. It acts more subtly but still views the entire group as undeserving or advancing unfairly or taking too much power—even those who happen to be poor or downtrodden. In the same way, people who don't distinguish between supporters of Israeli government action and Jewish non-supporters or opponents really are anti- Semitic.

Ever since the passage of the Civil Rights Laws in the 1960's, by a large majority white southerners have voted Republican. To claim their motives — along with many non-Southerners— are not racist just because they mostly don't admit it is far too facile. ( Btw, I read Arlie Hochschild's book too, and it seemed plain to me she was trying much too hard to give her subjects a polite way out of their clear racism. ) They don't accept that African-Americans shouldn't be a permanent under-class. 


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On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:57 PM, David Barouh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Slight difference: Racism has not been normalized in White America. At one time it was, but not for many years now. Nowadays one would tend to hide racist feelings if they had them. Professing white superiority is the exception, not the norm.

That white superiority is implicit in their message is an assumption. It could be, but what we do know is what they do profess, i.e. white dispossession. Perhaps American history is being left out of the equation. But again, the feeling is that this was in the past, and is something they personally had no part of. Short-sighted, perhaps, but racist? Not necessarily. Are they deliberately "erasing" the legacy of slavery. Again, that's an assumption, and psychoanalyzing from a distance.

Again, it's just too easy to start labeling these people as racist. It's like calling everyone critical of Israel's dispossession of Palestinians antisemites. 

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Laurence Romsted wrote:

Absolutely correct Sam and succinctly expressed.


Larry Romsted


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Subject: Re: Why Young Men of Color Are Joining White-Supremacist Groups




What David Barouh misses is that racism is the norm within White America. Hence, all right wing organizations and movements are, by default, racist. That is, these organizations and movements believe in the inherent superiority of the "white" race over the "darker" races and will act upon those beliefs every chance they get.


Hence, these organizations, movements and white supremacist individuals erase the legacy of the horrors of chattel slavery and Jim Crow and only see Blackfolk getting "special" treatment and programs just because they are not white. These very same organizations, movements and white supremacist individuals also don't see or deliberately ignore the historical fact that, for example, affirmative action policies and practices fought for primarily by Black and Latino folk have benefited white women more than people of color of any gender.


Also, the struggle against slavery and Jim Crow was always linked to the struggle for workers rights and better wages and working conditions. The persistent problem in these historic battles have been the struggle to combat normalized racism within the white workingclass and the trade union movement.


Until whitefolks of any class, education level and left persuasion realize that racism/white supremacy (and sexism) has been normalized (and institutionalized) in the US and Europe, we will not be able to make a significant advancement in our battle to destroy capitalism and build socialism.


In Struggle,


Sam Anderson


-----Original Message-----
From: David Barouh
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Subject: Re: Why Young Men of Color Are Joining White-Supremacist Groups

I agree that it's premature and not very significant that we see some black faces among these groups. But I'm not quite ready to go along with labeling these right wingers as a "white supremacist" movement. That sound very much like knee-jerk, reactionary liberalism.


These people are not professing beliefs in "white supremacy," but rather "fairness" to whites. Strange as that may sound, that's what they feel when they see special programs proposed or instituted for "minorities." There's been a book written about this phenomena: Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger an  Mourning on the American Right by Arlie Russell Hochschild, which was a bestseller and received some honors. I read it. It was not that great a book, at least from a literary point of view, but it did illustrate its point. The author did her research in the place she thought best exemplified this seeming white reactionary mindset: rural Louisiana, to interview subjects. The title of her book well exemplifies her impressions. 



On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, at 11:38 AM, S. E. Anderson wrote:

Much ado about nothing. Out of 30 million Blackfolk in the US, your chances of finding Black prowhite supremacists are like 500,000:1. Rare. Very very rare.


Thanx to social media and the fakenews industry, these sitings get blown way out of proportion. Don't waste your political/organizing energy on this distraction that tries to prettify or trivialize the rise of white supremacy.


In Struggle,


Sam Anderson


-----Original Message-----

From: Chandler Davis

Sent: Sep 5, 2018 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: Why Young Men of Color Are Joining White-Supremacist Groups



It reads to me like neither bullshit nor detection of a major new trend.  Rather, a rare anomalous pattern.  Apparently ---if there were really "dozens" of less-white men marching with the white supremacists that day as claimed--- less rare than one would guess.  Worth reporting, then.  Remember Ang Lee's "Rise with the Devil"?  It had (perhaps with substantiation in documented history) a Black member of a white supremacist militia; but it made a point of inviting reflection on his motivation.


My view of what to say to your buddy Arun Gupta: "Fine.  Now find a more central topic for your next journalistic effort."





On 2018-09-05 10:13 AM, Mitchel Cohen wrote:

I wonder how many Black people, actually, are joining these fascist protests, despite the implication in the headline. I don't see any U.S.-born Black people interviewed here, nor photos of them.


So is our friend Arun Gupta's article pointing to some alarming new social phenomena that should concern leftist strategists who appreciate the work of Franz Fanon/George Jackson/Black Panthers, or is this claim being latched onto to "sell newspapers"? I don't know, having not researched the topic myself (but having been to a zillion demonstrations where I have not observed any Black people in the fascist ranks).


Also, does one or two people here or there make up a "trend"? I remember some similar observations when a partly Jewish person here-and-there turned up in pro-Nazi organizations.


I'd worked with Arun Gupta at the radical NY-based newspaper The Guardian in the late 80s and early 1990s, have attended his talks and even included an essay he wrote about Occupy Wall Street in my book, "What Is Direct Action?" So, is he onto some new trend, or is it bullshit?


- Mitchel Cohen




Why Young Men of Color Are Joining White-Supremacist Groups

Patriot Prayer’s leader is half-Japanese. Black and brown faces march with the Proud Boys. Is the future of hate multicultural?

by Arun Gupta

PORTLAND, Oregon­Outfitted in a flak jacket and fighting gloves, Enrique Tarrio was one of dozens of black, Latino, and Asian men who marched alongside white supremacists in Portland on Aug. 4.


Tarrio, who identifies as Afro-Cuban, is president of the Miami chapter of the Proud Boys, who call themselves “Western chauvinists,” and “regularly spout white-nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Last month, prior to the Patriot Prayer rally he attended in Portland, Tarrio was pictured with other far-right activists making a white-power hand sign. Last year, he and other Proud Boys traveled to Charlottesville, Virginia, for the Unite the Right rally that ended with a neo-Nazi allegedly killing an anti-fascist protester.



Patriot Prayer + Proud Boys in Vancouver night b4 Aug 4 Portland rally many fear will end in violence. Tusitala "Tiny" Toese and others make an apparent "White Power" hand gesture. T-shirts read, "Pinochet Did Nothing Wrong." pic.twitter.com/7LI4BbA6za

­ Arun Gupta (@arunindy) August 4, 2018


Tarrio and other people of color at the far-right rallies claim institutional racism no longer exists in America. In their view, blacks are to blame for any lingering inequality because they are dependent on welfare, lack strong leadership, and believe Democrats who tell them “You’re always going to be broke. You’re not going to make it in society because of institutional racism,” as one mixed-race man put it.


If racism doesn’t exist, I ask Tarrio, how would he explain the disproportionate killing of young black men by police? “Hip-hop culture,” he says. It “glorifies that lifestyle… of selling drugs, shooting up.” Because of that, “Obviously you’re going to have higher crime rates. Obviously you’re going to have more police presence and more confrontations.” (Police kill black males aged 15 to 34 at nine times the rate of the general population.)


Elysa Sanchez, who is black and Puerto Rican, attended the “Liberty or Death Rally Against Left-Wing Violence” in Seattle on Aug. 18, joining about 20 militiamen open-carrying handguns and semi-automatic rifles.


Sanchez says, “If black people are committing more murders, more robberies, more thefts, more violent crime, that’s why you would see more black men having encounters with the police.”


Also in Seattle, Franky Price, who said he is  “black and white,” wore a T-shirt reading, “It’s okay to be white.”

They are among nearly a dozen black, Latino, and Asian participants at far-right rallies on the West Coast interviewed by The Daily Beast recently. They represent the new face of the far right that some scholars term “multiracial white supremacy.”


The Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer, which overlap, embrace an America-first nationalism that is less pro-white than it is anti-Muslim, anti-illegal immigrant, and anti-Black Lives Matter.


Daniel Martinez HoSang, associate professor at Yale University, co-author of the forthcoming Producers, Parasites, Patriots: Race and the New Right-Wing Politics of Precarity, says “Multiculturalism has become a norm in society” and has spread from corporations and consumer culture to conservatism and the far-right.


Indeed, Patriot Prayer’s leader is Joey Gibson, who is half-Japanese and claims Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., as a hero. But his agenda is the opposite of King’s. Gibson’s rallies have attracted neo-Confederates and neo-Nazis.


His right-hand man is Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, a 345-pound Samoan American who calls himself “ a brown brother for Donald Trump” and is notorious for brawling. By bringing diversity to what is at heart a white-supremacist movement, people of color give it legitimacy to challenge state power and commit violence against their enemies.


David Neiwert, author of Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump , says, “The ranks of people of color who show up to these right-wing events are totally dominated by males.” He says the alt-right targets white males between the ages of 15 and 30 with a message of male resentment, which ends up attracting black, Latino, and Asian men as well.


Neiwert says many young men of color in the far-right grew up on conservative traditions common in minority communities. Their journey to the far-right has been enabled by the ease of recruitment in the internet age and the endorsement of extremism by Trump.


Entry points to the far-right include male-dominated video-game culture, the anti-feminist gamergate, troll havens on 4chan and 8chan, and the conspiracism that flourishes on websites like Infowars. Libertarianism is another gateway.


“A lot of these young guys,” Neiwert says, “especially from the software world, who are being sucked into white nationalism, start out being worked up about Ayn Rand in high school.”


Andrew Zhao, 25, a software engineer, says his parents, physicists who emigrated from mainland China, “are Trump fans.” He found out about the Seattle rally from Reddit and Facebook and said, “We need more patriotism. A lot of liberals don’t like America.”


Daniel HoSang says some people of color are drawn to the far-right because they “identify with the military, with nationalism, with patriotism, with conservatism.”


Wearing a Proud Boys hat, David Nopal, 23, came to the Seattle rally alone, like others. Nopal, whose parents crossed illegally from Mexico, said, “I’m very patriotic. The U.S. isn’t perfect, but we are a hell of a lot better than other countries.”


Sanchez comes from a military family. “They all love America. It’s a big part of the reason I’m a patriot.”


Similarly, Tarrio attributes his anti-socialist politics to his grandfather’s experience in Cuba under Fidel Castro.


They proudly identify as “American” without modifiers. In their America they’ve never experienced racism. They eagerly talk politics, but evidence of their America is scant beyond the internet. Institutional racism has been ended by affirmative action, “black privilege,” and equal protection under the law. Any remaining black inequality is caused by social welfare and liberal policies. In any case, it was Democrats who started the Klan.


People of color within the far-right play a role that “excuses white racism and bears witness to the failure of people of color,” HoSang says, adding that they make “white supremacy a more durable force.”


HoSang said the far-right is trying to broaden its appeal from a whites-only movement in a multiracial America, so it is “laying claim to the ideas of anti-racism, racial uplift, and civil-rights progress.”


HoSang says, “It’s hard for people to wrap their head around how Dr. King and civil-rights language are being used to legitimate positions approaching fascism and violence to restore hierarchy and order. But they are.”



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