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Wolfram,

in this setup -> would’t the space between the FS capillary and the surrounding needle (your point 4) already work as a “relief needle”?
So, do you really need a second needle for the outflow (your point 5)?

regards,
Robert


> Am 07.12.2018 um 15:24 schrieb Wolfram Meier-Augenstein (pals) <[log in to unmask]>:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> 
> Similar to what Robert has described and suggested, our off-line, manual purge procedure worked like this.
> 
> 1. Weigh out samples into containers for digest, e.g. exetainers (or vacutainers) and close lids.
> 2. Line up containers in a test tube holder or similar.
> 3. Connect N2 cylinder via 1/16" SS tubing, needle valve and reducing union to a piece of uncoated megabore fused silica capillary. Adjust needle valve for an N2 flow rate of approx. 2 ml/min. 
> 4. Thread megabore capillary through a disposable syringe needle of sufficiently wide gauge (18 if memory serves).
> 5. Insert "relieve" needle (e.g. 26 gauge but almost any gauge will do) through container septum (stopper).
> 6. Insert needle-megabore capillary combo through container septum (stopper); feed megabore through needle until approx. 2/3 down the container.
> 7. Open regulator on N2 line (carefully).
> 8. Depending on the net volume of your container it will take 6+ minutes at the above flow rate to purge.
> 9. Remove needles, move on to the next container and repeat.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Wolfram
> 
> 
> 
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> From: Stable Isotope Geochemistry [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michener, Robert H
> Sent: 07 December 2018 13:58
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> Subject: Re: [ISOGEOCHEM] couple of carbonate questions
> 
> Thanks for all the comments! I thought I'd simplify things with a glove bag, but I'm probably causing more problems. A separate flushing line would be useful, so Robert, if it's easy, the photos would be helpful. I didn’t think argon would work but since it's in the lab I thought I'd check. 
> 
> For this set, it's probably best to just use the MultiFlow to flush the vials. But thanks for all the insight and help!
> 
> Bob 
> 
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> I agree with Wolfgang.
> 
> Glove Box: I don’t know. Never tried. What about a device that flushes one or more vials offline directly from a gas bottle with a needle valve in between to regulate the flow? I have no direct drawings but I might dig out some fotos.
> 
> Flushing gas: Ar was discussed here on Isogechem several times (mainly during every He “crisis”). When I recall this correctly, this was not the gas you want to have in your IRMS. N2 works. I can dig out some screenshots where I used He and N2 as flushing gas for identical samples and check for offsets. The offset was not zero, but within “acceptable" limits (depending of course on your research question). The main issue is the air peak that you generate (NO2 gas that interferes on m/z46). In a Thermo Gasbench system you must “blank” this peak, that comes right before your CO2 peak, by a clever on/off setup of your open split settings (open split connects the preparation device to the IRMS; no idea about the MultiFlow).
> 
> regards,
> Robert
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>> Am 06.12.2018 um 19:49 schrieb Wolfram Meier-Augenstein (pals) <[log in to unmask]>:
>> 
>> Hi Bob,
>> 
>> 
>> No idea if the glove box idea would work, but I would strongly advise against using Ar to purge the vials. Dry, zero-grade N2 is the better option.
>> 
>> Contemporaneous presence of Argon in the IRMS ion source will suppress / interfer with ionization of CO2 resulting in skewed d13C values. I have described this phenomenon with illustrating figure in Part II of my book (chapter II.4.2).
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Wolfram
>> 
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>> Subject: [ISOGEOCHEM] couple of carbonate questions
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm hoping to get started with some backlogged carbonate samples. We have a MultiFlow to flush the vials, but to save time I'm thinking of flushing the vials in a glove bag. Has anyone tried this? And would argon work as a flush gas (I have a tank on hand)?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
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