I never denied the torture and killing of civilians. You said "widespread." This happens in all wars, and on both sides in this war, but much more on the Ukranian side. The Ukrainian side has been bombing and killing civilians in the Donbas since 2014, with the Westen press remaining largely silent. Also since that time, fascists and nationalists have been given free rein in Ukraine to terrorize and kill opponents, while they are treated with kid gloves. I am not going to take the time to find links to evidence, since you can seek that out on your own. I do suggest assuming that everything reported in the press in NATO countries is a lie until proven otherwise. I have been following events in Ukraine since 2014, and I have seen countless corporate media lies. Assuming the corporate media lies should be SOP for the left. 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 8:43 AM Sam Friedman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Actually, everything in it is supported by Putin's speech just before the war except the torture and murder of civilians.  I know about that from reports by Ukrainian friends (from AIDS prevention efforts over a decade) who are conducting public health and medical aid to the liberated areas.

I would be interested in knowing the evidential basis for your denial of there being killing and torture of civilians.  We all know that media and the government in the US are not trustworthy sources, but I question whether your sources are any more reliable.  

This is a real question, I might add.  If you do have any reliable evidence, I would be very interested in learning what it is.

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 10:40:52 AM EDT, Jay Joseph <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

For the record, everything in the second sentence is wrong. Completely.  The US State Department, Pentagon, and the media do tell us these things, just as they said similar things to justify all previous US-backed wars.

 

 

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 7:04 AM Sam Friedman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

There is indeed class conflict in Ukraine, as there is everywhere else.

There is also an attempted ethnocide conducted savagely and with widespread torture and murder of civilians by Russia.  This was not a response to Western penetration, but to threats to the rule of the Russian oligarchy implicit in Ukraine's democracy as brought home tto Russia's rulers by the revolts in Belarus and Kazakhstan.

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 07:54:22 AM EDT, Mitchel Cohen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Thank you to Howard Brandstein for calling attention to this new aljazeera audio report. As Howard writes: "This was the first invasion of Ukraine by western corporations which, along with western military penetration, provoked the second invasion by Russia. Mitchel Cohen also explored this issue in his earlier piece in Covert Action Magazine which uncovered the GMO connection to the land grab and its roots in the current conflict."

https://www.aljazeera.com/podcasts/2023/4/7/ukraines-other-land-grab

News | Russia-Ukraine war

Ukraine’s other land grab

Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe, and its land is changing hands.

A combine harvests wheat in a field near the village of Zghurivka, amid Russia's attack on Ukraine, in Kyiv region, Ukraine August 9, 2022 [Viacheslav Musiienko/Reuters]
Published On 7 Apr 20237 Apr 2023

Ukraine might not look like a good financial investment after a year at war with no end in sight, but Harvard, Saudi Arabia, a handful of oligarchs, and the United States investment manager The Vanguard Group see it differently. They are just a few of the investors who have been buying up Ukrainian land – and its rich, fertile soil – en masse, while many Ukrainian farmers argue it should stay in Ukrainian hands.

In this episode:

• Frederic Mousseau, policy director at the Oakland Institute
• Anuradha Mittal (@Mittaloak), founder and executive director of the Oakland Institute
• Lorina Fedorova, expert on sustainable agriculture, NGO “Ekodiya”(Ecoaction)
• Roman Gryshyna, CEO of Travelite MICE&Travel Ukraine

Episode credits:

This episode was produced by Amy Walters and our host, Malika Bilal. Chloe K. Li, Miranda Lin and Khaled Soltan fact-checked this episode.


You can find Mitchel Cohen's original (May 31, 2022) piece on this subject in Covert Action here:

"War Within the War: The Fight Over Land and Genetically Engineered Agriculture"

RELATED:

- A  June 16, 2022 podcast discussion on the subject with Organic Consumers Association's ALEXIS BADEN-MAYER and MITCHEL COHEN here: ON MONSANTO, GMOS, UKRAINE, RUSSIA, AND THE U.S.

- THE NEW EDITION OF Mitchel Cohen's Monsanto book: The Fight Against Monsanto's Roundup: The Politics of Pesticides (with Foreword by Vandana Shiva)

- Click here to watch CHILDRENS HEALTH DEFENSE (ZOEY O’TOOLE, POLLY TOMMEY, AIMEE VILLELLA MCBRIDE, DR. BRIAN HOOKER) INTERVIEW MITCHEL COHEN AND JONATHAN LATHAM, January 6, 2023 on "Friday Round Table"

- Zoey O’Toole and her guest, Mitchel Cohen, Dr. Martha Herbert, Stuart Newman Ph.D., and Jonathan Latham, Ph.d. tackle the Monsanto, glyphosate debacle in this episode of ‘ Good Morning CHD’ (Feb. 25, 2023) and dive into the book, ‘The Fight Against Monsanto’s Roundup: The Politics of Pesticides.’ Viewers, listen in to this eye-


In case clicking on the embedded links above don't work, here they are in sequence:

https://www.aljazeera.com/podcasts/2023/4/7/ukraines-other-land-grab

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/05/31/war-within-the-war-the-fight-over-land-and-genetically-engineered-agriculture/

https://rokfin.com/stream/19257/Monsantos-War-in-Ukraine--Mitchel-Cohen

https://www.ThePoliticsofPesticides.com

https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/friday-roundtable/the-politics-of-pesticides/

https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/the-fight-against-monsantos-roundup/