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SCOTT A. WARD ("Scotty") [log in to unmask] +De Colores!+
Training Coordinator; WOULD APPRECIATE ASSISTANTS
Volunteer Service Manager (VSM), CapAccess Community Center
Vice-Chair, Public Relations
 
 
On Wed, 5 Jan 1994, Marilyn H. Fetterman wrote:
 
> Scott's warning was forwarded to AFRICA-L this morning.  A few minutes
> ago I saw the same posting forwarded to an internal bulletin board
> conference here at Brown--which included the list to which Scott
> originally posted (thanks, Ann, if you are reading this).
>
> When IIA's free accounts were first announced, I was interested.  Some
> of my cousins teach in no-Internet-access schools in PA and I was
> hoping IIA would be an option for them.  HA!
>
> Here is the posting I made to AFRICA-L after reading Scott's warning:
>
> Marilyn H. Fetterman
> [log in to unmask]
> ---------------------------AFRICA-L posting---------------------------
> Date:    Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:50:51 EST
> Subject: Int'l Internet Assoc. in *NOT* free (was WARNING:...)
> X-Topic: Entry #1485 of LISTS.AFRICA-L
> To: "LISTS.AFRICA-L.1485"
>
> Posted on 5 Jan 1994 at 12:24:39 by Marilyn H. Fetterman
>
> Int'l Internet Assoc. in *NOT* free (was WARNING:...)
>
> Date:         Wed, 5 Jan 1994 10:31:53 EST
> Reply-To:     "Marilyn H. Fetterman" <[log in to unmask]>
> From:         "Marilyn H. Fetterman" <[log in to unmask]>
>
> I telephoned the IIA when its 'free' accounts were announced,
> left a voice-mail message, and had my call returned.  The fellow I
> spoke to was _very_ pushy and seemed dismayed when I was
> unwilling to give my credit card number over the telephone so I
> could: 1.) be sent, via snail, information on using IIA; and 2.)
> get an account. He finally got permission to send me information
> before getting my credit card number and it arrived while I was
> away for Christmas.  After reading the two-page information sheet,
> here's my imput.  All areas in quotes are from their snailed
> information.
>
> The International Internet Association's claim that it is "the largest
> non-profit provider of _free_ [emphasis mine] Internet Access in the
> world" is totally deceptive.  I define 'free' as meaning a person is
> not going to have to pay one cent for a good or service.  A person
> who gets an account with IIA does not pay for the account itself but
> has to pay 20 cents per minute to use the account ($12/hour) from
> their 800 number.  This is in the flier.  On the phone, the salesman
> told me I could make a 'local' call but it would be much more
> expensive, like 40 cents/minute. This 'local' call in the flier's
> info. turns out to be a "direct dial number to either our master
> node in Washington D.C., or our research facility in New Jersey."
> Real local call numbers [what I consider 'free', but some local
> calls do incur charges if the call is for polls or other things so
> I am suspect about the futuristic freeness of local call numbers
> with IIA--just my opinion] "The IIA plans to install... across the
> U.S. to support our users, as soon as we obtain the funds."
>
> Besides the charges one incurs to access an IIA account, some
> tell-tale wording makes me think very little is actually free. In
> the paragraph under "WHO AM I ON THE INTERNET?," it starts off
> explaining how a USERID will be assigned "which combines your first
> and last name in accordance with international standards governing
> E-mail."  After a few sentences on this, the red flag went up for
> me [all cap emphasis in sentence mine]: "If you would like a specific
> ID, this can be arranged as well as OTHER CUSTOM SERVICES upon
> your first login.  You need only follow the menu items to CUSTOM
> SERVICES and make the electronic request."
>
> What are the 'custom services?' I do not know but I would not be
> suprised if these include things like gopher, telnet, and the
> other things one can _access_ via the menu listed below in
> the "WHAT DO I GET?" section.  Neither would I be suprised if a
> person has to PAY--'custom' to me sounds like you-pay-for-it.
>
> "WHAT DO I GET?
> .You get an Internet account providing 14,400 BPS capability and
> lower (9600, 1200,1200).
> .1 meg of storage allowing you to download files and messages (more
> can be made available).
> .Kermit, X_MODEM, Y-Modem, and Z-MODEM download protocols to
> transfer information to your home computer.
> .Menu driven options will allow easy access to GOPHER, World-Wide-
> Web, Archie, Prospect, Telnet, FTP, Hytelnet and a host of others
> (no pun intended)
>
> In short you can do what anyone else anywhere can do on the net
> and more (we have built in capabilities beyond the general
> capabilities of the Internet)."
>
> (me again, not the filer) The billing also sounds a bit strange to me.
> A person does not get charged if the account is not accessed (fine).
> But..."If you find the 800 number more economical than direct dial
> than [wrong word use theirs] you will be billed in 10 dollar
> increments. A charge will be rolled over until all time has been
> exhausted."
>
> From the form to be filled-out and faxed or mailed in, a person agrees
> to the following.  Again, the cap emphasis is mine:
>
> "1.  ... I will not hold the IIA responsible for any activities occuring,
> or initiated by any user who makes knowing use of the ID IIA assigns on
> my behalf.
>
>  2.  I agree that any use of the 800 number made available to me by the
> IIA will be billed to my credit card.  I authorize use of this account
> with regard to VOLUNTARY ON-LINE SERVICES to which I approve."
>
> I really did not have the time to write this posting, but since
> another subscriber to AFRICA-L has just alerted people to
> some fishy things he found out about IIA, I though I should add
> to his information.  Personally, I think there has to be some
> regulatory body set up to protect citizens as they embark on
> the "electronic highway."  There are many excellent Internet
> providers that do not engage in word magic in their advertising.
> I myself had an account with one ($12/month for unlimited use--
> no extra charges for anything) when I was away from Brown this
> past summer and needed a cheap way to telnet into this
> account.  A media blitz did not point me to the commercial
> provider; I checked-out, and highly recommend to others, PDIAL.
>
> PDIAL is provided free as a public service by Peter Kaminski (spelling?).
> To get a copy, send e-mail to: [log in to unmask]
> In the 'subject' area put: send PDIAL.
> The providers listed in PDIAL clearly list their services and
> charges--no suprises.
>
> If anyone has actually gotten and used an IIA account, please share
> your findings with us.  If anyone knows the actual names of the
> people included in the following flier sentence, please post them:
> "The International Internet Association is able to make this service
> available through generous private donations, and extraordinary
> dedication of its members."
>
> Marilyn
 
 
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From:  Scott Ward   ([log in to unmask])
To:    All Concerned
Re:    International Internet Association
 
    Last evening I talked to Max Robbins, the executive director of the
International Internet Association.  He gave me the following information,
and I am forwarding it to you.
 
1.  The IIA does exist.
2.  They have been markedly low-key, but he said it was somewhat necessary
because "If we spent all our time answering Internet questions, we
wouldn't be able to get the system running."
3.  The IIA is set to formally announce its presence during COMMNET on
January 24th in Washington, D.C. and asks everyone to monitor the media
after that point.
4.  The IIA system is a set of daisy-chained SPARCstation 10s, and has the
capability to handle approximately 4,000 users.
5.  The IIA has moved its operations from the Washington, D.C. area to New
Jersey, due to negotiating difficulties with C&P Telephone (the local
telephone carrier for D.C.)
 
    Again, Max Robbins promises that all questions will be answered at
COMMNET, and did not ask me to release this message.  That is all the
information I know, and my mailbox is literally STUFFED due to people
asking for clarification, etc.  Please understand that I cannot answer
more mail and still carry on with my normal electronic mail.
    In reference to the matter of the credit card numbers:  Max states that
they are shipping membership packages to individuals who have already sent
applications to them.  They are currently operating at a backlog of
six weeks, but are mailing membership packages at a rate of some 100 a
day.  He also said that the IIA may be dropping its credit card number
requirement at some point in the future.  At this point, it is still
required for submission of an application.
 
That is all I know.
 
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