Dear Bill; I would suggest you ask the vascular surgeons to let you watch an in situ procedure. You will appreciate their needs i.e. accuracy of mapping, luminal diameter, has the saphenous previously thrombosed? (echogenic and non-compressible by ultrasound), branches, valve cusps. Also we use Berol liquid tip all surface markers. They mark through gel. Mapping for the most part shouldn't be so tedious and time consuming. I'm sure if you spend time with the surgeons, you will learn quickly. Good luck! Terry Case University of Vermont