Hi All, Isn't it interesting how corporate America gets involved. There always has to be a measure of conflict, someone always has to have ownership of everything. Has anyone ever been at the Free Software Foundation and looked at the programs you can just plain have! I think that if artists, corporations, and all the rest want to protect their rights to music and video clips, clips captured from TV, etc. We oaught to let them, refuse to buy anything from anyone exhibiting such anal-retentive tendencies and ignore all discussions about the issue, leaving it to alt.paper the only newsgroup where every word is moderated (gesture, thought, picture, sound, etc.) and hold them to exactly the same standard. If they want to show our web pages on a TV, the company making the TV should have to pay us for modifying our media to run on a new piece of hardware it was never designed for. Then we to can start forming committees and executive decision making boards to waste our time internally with their ever increasing paranoia. Then we won't have too worry about "those outsiders" doing it, because we can make them insiders, whoopeeee. After that we change our name to Ford and apply for government assistance! Phil The only difference between qualitative and quantitative information is volume.