Todd wrote: Call me a pain so be it: ----------- Actually, I wouldn't disagree with any of your points, and I'm definitely not suggested anyone "become" a snowboarder and give up skiing. I'm saying that there are plently of skiers on this list who are the mountain 20+ days a year that would really enjoy adding snowboarding to their list of fun winter things. Mine includes skiing, boarding, cross-country skiing, and snow-shoeing. My style of skiing has always been go as fast as you can with the widest possible turn radius, and I've found on powder/crud days snowboarding definitely helps me achieve this. I think skiers that spend time doing grabs & other silly tricks look ridiculous. In fact, I started snowboarding in 1988 and I have yet to enter a half pipe, not once. My long freeriding board and stiff boots don't work too well in there. My suggestion is not to worry about the image of a 14 year old with wallet chain and large jeans and instead just try something you might enjoy - a lot. Lately though, I have been getting urges to dress in Puma sweats and a Carhartt sweatshirt, maybe it IS starting to affect me after all! -Scott - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html