1st and foremost I am not a meteorologist, it's an avocation for me. That being said, a few comments concerning global warming: (1) our ability to physically observe the earth's climate directly has only been availabale since that first geosynchronous satellites were launched. As well the sophistication of those "birds" has only recently evolved to the point where they are able to provide the level of data necessary to understand a complex, non-linear, chaotic system such as the weather on a global scale. It is possible that meteoroligical cycles may be decadal at least and perhaps longer, which means to make an assesment that WE are the cause of global warming after a very short period of observation of a much longer term cycle, may be a spurious assumption. there are too many relationships in the atmosphere which are not well understood---the NAO not the least. I would not jump to conclusions about this winter so quickly or global warming for that matter. The most advancesd10 to 15 day models frequently are useless beyong days 5 or 6 of their runs, thus I would be scientifically skeptical of forecasts which proport to accurate for months in advance, let alone years. Just my opinion Jim Kane - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html