John, The area units in the 5S library are in units of "standard cells". I'm not a circuit designer so I don't know what the ratio between standard cells and square microns is, but it is defined somewhere (someone can probably tell us). For those that don't know, a standard cell is a rectangular area of silicon that contains several "background shapes" that are identical from cell to cell. Furthermore, you can place any standard cell next to another standard cell and it will be "guaranteed" to meet ground rule constraints. The background shapes I am talking about consist of things like an N-well, a GND and VDD power bus that you can tap into, etc. The chip is divided up into millions (at least these days) of these standard cells. A typical standard cell in an IBM library is "tall and skinny". Height-wise it contains enough room for an NFET and a PFET plus area in between the transistors and on top and below of the transistors for contacts, etc. Width-wise there is typically only room for one or two transistors. Typically the height of the standard cell is measured in terms of wiring tracks which is to say how many metal wires can be run horizontally across the cell. The ASIC library is made up of elements (inverter, nand, dff, etc) that are designed to fit into an integral number of standard cells. An inverter usually takes just one cell since you only need 2 transistors. For larger circuits, you need to use more cells. If your circuit needs even just slightly more than an integral number of cells, too bad--you need to extend it by an entire cell. This is why they make the cells so skinny! The cells are designed such that if you put any two elements next to each other, they will not interfere with each other from a ground-rule standpoint. Most elements are one cell high, but N cells wide. The placement program places the elements in rows. I believe that every other row is flipped so that the PFETs can share a common N-well. And there may be a space between the other rows for additional global wiring tracks. I'm sure we will soon learn all the gory details of this. I hope you can see how there cannot be an exact "ratio" between the CMU and the IBM libraries since many things would enter into it: how small the circuits were designed, the size of the CMU vs. IBM standard cell, etc. One library may have a fantastic DFF while the other may have a great INVERTER. The real thing to consider here is what is the capacity of the chip AND as John said, the tools themselves. ...Lance -- Lance Pickup O- VNET/IBM Internet: lpickup@btv Modeling Automation Internet: [log in to unmask] IBM Microelectronics ICQ UIN: 216830 Burlington, VT Phone: (802) 769-7104 (tie 446)